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Roger Zoul wrote: Jennifer wrote: || Not exactly. Not exactly what? I confused by that. The "not exactly" referred to the OP comment: ||| So, then, real low carbing should involve eating modest amount of ||| protein, and not a gross excess of protein. Otherwise it is not ||| really low carb. ||| ||| Makes sense? || || First of all, most of us are not eating that much more protein than || before. Okay, but it is possible to eat a lot more protein. Some people do so. I didn't say it wasn't possible. || || Here's an example: I went to lunch with friends yesterday. We all || ordered the same thing, a cheeseburger plate. I asked for no bun and || had a salad instead of the fries. Since we all had the same || hamburger patty... our protein content was the same... mine was a || higher "percentage" of my meal, but the grams were the same as my || friends. || || Also, protein does not convert to glucose the way you assume. I didn't see an assumption... This was the assumption: ||| Here's what I am thinking about... If we eat more protein than our ||| body requires for repairing body tissues, the rest is converted to ||| carbs/glucose. The "rest" is not coverted to carbs/glucose. || || Of every 100 grams (3 1/2 ounces by weight) of protein you eat, || about 58 grams of it becomes sugar. || || But it's important to note that we are talking about the weight of || the protein itself, not the weight of the protein food. || || A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains || about 20 or 25 grams of protein. || || The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual || carbohydrates, not 58 grams. Thanks for the math and breakdown, but that point was not in question. I guess what I'm wanting to know is what you mean by "Not exactly". || || And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about 6 - || 8g || of carbs. But if I eat enough protein food to get 200 g of protein, than that is 116 g of carbs just from protein-rich foods. That is certainly possible to do since that only represents 800 kcals of foodj. To eat 200g of protein you'd be eating approx. 800g - 1000g of actual food... remember it's not the weight of the food, it's the grams of protein in that food. Every 100g of a protein food is comprised of approx. 20 -25g of protein. And of course, yes it's possible to eat that much. Jennifer |
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If what you are asking is: Does excess protein contain hidden carbs
that most LC people are not aware of? The answer is yes. But for the hundreds of thousands on this WOE, it appears they are balancing it well enough to acheive their goals. If someone is at a stall, then they may want to look at their protein intake for hidden carbs. Jennifer Ignoramus26161 wrote: In article , Jennifer wrote: Not exactly. First of all, most of us are not eating that much more protein than before. That's true (I do not like excess of protein very much myself) but is beside the point. Suppose that I do eat an excess of protein, say 300 grams of it. Say that I use 100 grams for maintaining my body tissues, that leaves me with 200*0.58 == 116 grams of sugar produced. Would that not negate the supposed "low carb" nature of my diet? Here's an example: I went to lunch with friends yesterday. We all ordered the same thing, a cheeseburger plate. I asked for no bun and had a salad instead of the fries. Since we all had the same hamburger patty... our protein content was the same... mine was a higher "percentage" of my meal, but the grams were the same as my friends. That's nice to hear, but not exactly answering my question. Also, protein does not convert to glucose the way you assume. Of every 100 grams (3 1/2 ounces by weight) of protein you eat, about 58 grams of it becomes sugar. But it's important to note that we are talking about the weight of the protein itself, not the weight of the protein food. A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains about 20 or 25 grams of protein. The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual carbohydrates, not 58 grams. And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about 6 - 8g of carbs. Again, that's sensible, but does not answer my question. i |
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If what you are asking is: Does excess protein contain hidden carbs
that most LC people are not aware of? The answer is yes. But for the hundreds of thousands on this WOE, it appears they are balancing it well enough to acheive their goals. If someone is at a stall, then they may want to look at their protein intake for hidden carbs. Jennifer Ignoramus26161 wrote: In article , Jennifer wrote: Not exactly. First of all, most of us are not eating that much more protein than before. That's true (I do not like excess of protein very much myself) but is beside the point. Suppose that I do eat an excess of protein, say 300 grams of it. Say that I use 100 grams for maintaining my body tissues, that leaves me with 200*0.58 == 116 grams of sugar produced. Would that not negate the supposed "low carb" nature of my diet? Here's an example: I went to lunch with friends yesterday. We all ordered the same thing, a cheeseburger plate. I asked for no bun and had a salad instead of the fries. Since we all had the same hamburger patty... our protein content was the same... mine was a higher "percentage" of my meal, but the grams were the same as my friends. That's nice to hear, but not exactly answering my question. Also, protein does not convert to glucose the way you assume. Of every 100 grams (3 1/2 ounces by weight) of protein you eat, about 58 grams of it becomes sugar. But it's important to note that we are talking about the weight of the protein itself, not the weight of the protein food. A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains about 20 or 25 grams of protein. The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual carbohydrates, not 58 grams. And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about 6 - 8g of carbs. Again, that's sensible, but does not answer my question. i |
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Jennifer wrote:
Not exactly. First of all, most of us are not eating that much more protein than before. Here's an example: I went to lunch with friends yesterday. We all ordered the same thing, a cheeseburger plate. I asked for no bun and had a salad instead of the fries. Since we all had the same hamburger patty... our protein content was the same... mine was a higher "percentage" of my meal, but the grams were the same as my friends. Also, protein does not convert to glucose the way you assume. Of every 100 grams (3 1/2 ounces by weight) of protein you eat, about 58 grams of it becomes sugar. But it's important to note that we are talking about the weight of the protein itself, not the weight of the protein food. A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains about 20 or 25 grams of protein. The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual carbohydrates, not 58 grams. And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about 6 - 8g of carbs. Jennifer Ignoramus26161 wrote: Here's what I am thinking about... If we eat more protein than our body requires for repairing body tissues, the rest is converted to carbs/glucose. If so, then a high protein diet actually supplies us with a lot of carbs, right? So, then, real low carbing should involve eating modest amount of protein, and not a gross excess of protein. Otherwise it is not really low carb. Makes sense? i How do you explain bodybuilders that taper the carbs and increase the protein during cutting? If all that protein was converted to sugar, how would they ever drop the extra pounds? |
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Jennifer wrote:
Not exactly. First of all, most of us are not eating that much more protein than before. Here's an example: I went to lunch with friends yesterday. We all ordered the same thing, a cheeseburger plate. I asked for no bun and had a salad instead of the fries. Since we all had the same hamburger patty... our protein content was the same... mine was a higher "percentage" of my meal, but the grams were the same as my friends. Also, protein does not convert to glucose the way you assume. Of every 100 grams (3 1/2 ounces by weight) of protein you eat, about 58 grams of it becomes sugar. But it's important to note that we are talking about the weight of the protein itself, not the weight of the protein food. A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains about 20 or 25 grams of protein. The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual carbohydrates, not 58 grams. And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about 6 - 8g of carbs. Jennifer Ignoramus26161 wrote: Here's what I am thinking about... If we eat more protein than our body requires for repairing body tissues, the rest is converted to carbs/glucose. If so, then a high protein diet actually supplies us with a lot of carbs, right? So, then, real low carbing should involve eating modest amount of protein, and not a gross excess of protein. Otherwise it is not really low carb. Makes sense? i How do you explain bodybuilders that taper the carbs and increase the protein during cutting? If all that protein was converted to sugar, how would they ever drop the extra pounds? |
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Ignoramus26161 wrote:
Here's what I am thinking about... If we eat more protein than our body requires for repairing body tissues, the rest is converted to carbs/glucose. If so, then a high protein diet actually supplies us with a lot of carbs, right? So, then, real low carbing should involve eating modest amount of protein, and not a gross excess of protein. Otherwise it is not really low carb. Makes sense? i How do you explain bodybuilders that taper the carbs and increase the protein during cutting? If all that protein was converted to sugar, how would they ever drop the extra pounds? |
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Jennifer wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote: || ||| Jennifer wrote: ||||| Not exactly. ||| ||| Not exactly what? I confused by that. || || The "not exactly" referred to the OP comment: || || ||| So, then, real low carbing should involve eating modest || amount of ||| protein, and not a gross excess of protein. || Otherwise it is not ||| really low carb. || ||| || ||| Makes sense? So what does not exactly mean? Are you saying that most LCers don't eat modest amounts of protein or that eating a gross excess of protein is really low carb? I guess it is the latter... || || ||| ||||| ||||| First of all, most of us are not eating that much more protein ||||| than before. ||| ||| Okay, but it is possible to eat a lot more protein. Some people do ||| so. || || I didn't say it wasn't possible. Right. I was commenting that some on LC do eat lots of protein. || ||| ||||| ||||| Here's an example: I went to lunch with friends yesterday. We ||||| all ordered the same thing, a cheeseburger plate. I asked for no ||||| bun and had a salad instead of the fries. Since we all had the ||||| same ||||| hamburger patty... our protein content was the same... mine was a ||||| higher "percentage" of my meal, but the grams were the same as my ||||| friends. ||||| ||||| Also, protein does not convert to glucose the way you assume. ||| ||| I didn't see an assumption... || || This was the assumption: || || ||| Here's what I am thinking about... If we eat more protein || than our ||| body requires for repairing body tissues, the rest || is converted to ||| carbs/glucose. || || The "rest" is not coverted to carbs/glucose. || What happens to it? || ||||| ||||| Of every 100 grams (3 1/2 ounces by weight) of protein you eat, ||||| about 58 grams of it becomes sugar. ||||| ||||| But it's important to note that we are talking about the weight of ||||| the protein itself, not the weight of the protein food. ||||| ||||| A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains ||||| about 20 or 25 grams of protein. ||||| ||||| The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual ||||| carbohydrates, not 58 grams. ||| ||| Thanks for the math and breakdown, but that point was not in ||| question. I guess what I'm wanting to know is what you mean by "Not ||| exactly". ||| ||||| ||||| And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about ||||| 6 - 8g ||||| of carbs. ||| ||| ||| But if I eat enough protein food to get 200 g of protein, than that ||| is 116 g of carbs just from protein-rich foods. That is certainly ||| possible to do since that only represents 800 kcals of foodj. || || To eat 200g of protein you'd be eating approx. 800g - 1000g of actual || food... remember it's not the weight of the food, it's the grams of || protein in that food. Every 100g of a protein food is comprised of || approx. 20 -25g of protein. || If you notice I said "to get 200g of protein". it is very easy to do that just by tracking the amount of protein in various food sources, so I'm not sure why you felt the need to explain that again, as if I didn't know. || And of course, yes it's possible to eat that much. I know it is because I've done it. |
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Jennifer wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote: || ||| Jennifer wrote: ||||| Not exactly. ||| ||| Not exactly what? I confused by that. || || The "not exactly" referred to the OP comment: || || ||| So, then, real low carbing should involve eating modest || amount of ||| protein, and not a gross excess of protein. || Otherwise it is not ||| really low carb. || ||| || ||| Makes sense? So what does not exactly mean? Are you saying that most LCers don't eat modest amounts of protein or that eating a gross excess of protein is really low carb? I guess it is the latter... || || ||| ||||| ||||| First of all, most of us are not eating that much more protein ||||| than before. ||| ||| Okay, but it is possible to eat a lot more protein. Some people do ||| so. || || I didn't say it wasn't possible. Right. I was commenting that some on LC do eat lots of protein. || ||| ||||| ||||| Here's an example: I went to lunch with friends yesterday. We ||||| all ordered the same thing, a cheeseburger plate. I asked for no ||||| bun and had a salad instead of the fries. Since we all had the ||||| same ||||| hamburger patty... our protein content was the same... mine was a ||||| higher "percentage" of my meal, but the grams were the same as my ||||| friends. ||||| ||||| Also, protein does not convert to glucose the way you assume. ||| ||| I didn't see an assumption... || || This was the assumption: || || ||| Here's what I am thinking about... If we eat more protein || than our ||| body requires for repairing body tissues, the rest || is converted to ||| carbs/glucose. || || The "rest" is not coverted to carbs/glucose. || What happens to it? || ||||| ||||| Of every 100 grams (3 1/2 ounces by weight) of protein you eat, ||||| about 58 grams of it becomes sugar. ||||| ||||| But it's important to note that we are talking about the weight of ||||| the protein itself, not the weight of the protein food. ||||| ||||| A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains ||||| about 20 or 25 grams of protein. ||||| ||||| The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual ||||| carbohydrates, not 58 grams. ||| ||| Thanks for the math and breakdown, but that point was not in ||| question. I guess what I'm wanting to know is what you mean by "Not ||| exactly". ||| ||||| ||||| And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about ||||| 6 - 8g ||||| of carbs. ||| ||| ||| But if I eat enough protein food to get 200 g of protein, than that ||| is 116 g of carbs just from protein-rich foods. That is certainly ||| possible to do since that only represents 800 kcals of foodj. || || To eat 200g of protein you'd be eating approx. 800g - 1000g of actual || food... remember it's not the weight of the food, it's the grams of || protein in that food. Every 100g of a protein food is comprised of || approx. 20 -25g of protein. || If you notice I said "to get 200g of protein". it is very easy to do that just by tracking the amount of protein in various food sources, so I'm not sure why you felt the need to explain that again, as if I didn't know. || And of course, yes it's possible to eat that much. I know it is because I've done it. |
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DJ Delorie wrote:
|| Ignoramus26161 writes: ||| Suppose that I do eat an excess of protein, say 300 grams of it. Say ||| that I use 100 grams for maintaining my body tissues, that leaves me ||| with 200*0.58 == 116 grams of sugar produced. || || Other way around. 300 * 0.58 = 174g sugar, leaving you 126g protein || to maintain body tissues. However, your liver stops converting || protein when it has enough carbs, likely leaving more protein for || body tissues. || || Since the liver stops converting when it has enough, I don't think || overdoing the protein can have the same effects as overdoing the || carbs, so IMHO it won't make it not LC. I wonder how this fits in with that protein power plan? They consider their diet LC and high protein, correct? |
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Rusty wrote:
|| Jennifer wrote: || ||| Not exactly. ||| ||| First of all, most of us are not eating that much more protein than ||| before. ||| ||| Here's an example: I went to lunch with friends yesterday. We all ||| ordered the same thing, a cheeseburger plate. I asked for no bun ||| and ||| had a salad instead of the fries. Since we all had the same ||| hamburger patty... our protein content was the same... mine was a ||| higher "percentage" of my meal, but the grams were the same as my ||| friends. ||| ||| Also, protein does not convert to glucose the way you assume. ||| ||| Of every 100 grams (3 1/2 ounces by weight) of protein you eat, ||| about 58 grams of it becomes sugar. ||| ||| But it's important to note that we are talking about the weight of ||| the protein itself, not the weight of the protein food. ||| ||| A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains ||| about 20 or 25 grams of protein. ||| ||| The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual ||| carbohydrates, not 58 grams. ||| ||| And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about 6 ||| - 8g ||| of carbs. ||| ||| Jennifer ||| ||| ||| Ignoramus26161 wrote: ||| |||| Here's what I am thinking about... If we eat more protein than our |||| body requires for repairing body tissues, the rest is converted to |||| carbs/glucose. |||| |||| If so, then a high protein diet actually supplies us with a lot of |||| carbs, right? |||| |||| So, then, real low carbing should involve eating modest amount of |||| protein, and not a gross excess of protein. Otherwise it is not |||| really low carb. |||| |||| Makes sense? |||| |||| i ||| ||| || How do you explain bodybuilders that taper the carbs and increase the || protein during cutting? If all that protein was converted to sugar, || how would they ever drop the extra pounds? easy....eat below a maintenance level of calories. |
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