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  #21  
Old April 6th, 2009, 09:19 PM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Stormmee
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?

so post the recipe for the soup already!!! Lee, lusting for the soup
"Stephanie" wrote in message
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Willow Herself wrote:
"Stephanie" wrote in message
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Ron wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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Makes sense. Weight control, like every other worthwhile goal in
life, requires discipline, dedication, and right thinking. In other
words, a healthy attitude of thinking about food as something we
take for sustenance rather than something we lust after for
satisfaction. It should NOT involve slavish point-counting and
deprivation. The WW members in this NG who constantly post recipes
here and dream about what they will eat tomorrow - in other words,
who perpetuate their love of food - simply don't understand this
fundamental point and will never maintain normal weight naturally. Food
is no different
from oxygen. We take it to live. We shouldn't live to take it.



I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our
lives. I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about
what I am eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces
that are a joy to my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be
assured that I have meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as
conform to my desired calorie intake.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful
thing! There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If
that attitude works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy
cooking, food will continue to be a wonderful thing to share with
family and friends and to enjoy!


AMEN!

Might I add that before I learned to eat healthy I did not enjoy
food, I just shoveled in whatever I had on hand. I could not cook, I
didn't know about what's good what isn't, the only spices I knew
about were salt and pepper.



The most convenient food is often the least good for you.



I've educated myself, not only about healthy foods, but about tasty
foods, fresh veggies and fruits, spices and condiments that make the
foods I eat enjoyable without adding tons of fats to it.



Indian pulses om nom nom.


Now everything I eat has to be worth it, health wise, taste wise. I
eat about 1/3 (if not less) of the food I used to eat, but I enjoy
every single bite of it. That's why I'm satisfied with eating so much
less, because it's enjoyable. I don't have to keep eating in the hope
that the next bite is going to be better, it's all good!

I also eat all sorts of foods, carbs, proteins, sweets, whatever.




I am an enigma there. I don't care enough about sweets to worry about it.
But I DO enjoy my bread and potato every now and again.


Some of them in moderation, but there are no banned foods. I love
brownies, I have one every once in a while. If I had a store bought
brownie every day, it wouldn't taste that great, but a good fresh
bakery baked brownie every few weeks tastes heavenly!

Food is not the enemy, I love food, I love eating, I lost 70 lbs in
2002-2003 and have been maintaining since.



I lost ... I can't remember. Size 16 to size 6 a few years ago. I am
maintaining, kinda. I went up a couple of pounds. Back to journalling to
reset myself... As I drink my tastey rosemary veggie soup.


Will~





  #22  
Old April 6th, 2009, 09:34 PM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Stormmee
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today's big meal is ham hocs with organic brown rice and a combination of
beans, not what most think of as "diet" food but we have it when i have the
points, and i eat one hoc not three and the rice and beans make it a
balanced tastey meal, so ther, HRMPH, Lee
"Willow Herself" wrote in
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"Stephanie" wrote in message
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Willow Herself wrote:
"Stephanie" wrote in message
...
Ron wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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Makes sense. Weight control, like every other worthwhile goal in
life, requires discipline, dedication, and right thinking. In other
words, a healthy attitude of thinking about food as something we
take for sustenance rather than something we lust after for
satisfaction. It should NOT involve slavish point-counting and
deprivation. The WW members in this NG who constantly post recipes
here and dream about what they will eat tomorrow - in other words,
who perpetuate their love of food - simply don't understand this
fundamental point and will never maintain normal weight naturally.
Food is no different
from oxygen. We take it to live. We shouldn't live to take it.



I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our
lives. I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about
what I am eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces
that are a joy to my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be
assured that I have meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as
conform to my desired calorie intake.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful
thing! There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If
that attitude works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy
cooking, food will continue to be a wonderful thing to share with
family and friends and to enjoy!


AMEN!

Might I add that before I learned to eat healthy I did not enjoy
food, I just shoveled in whatever I had on hand. I could not cook, I
didn't know about what's good what isn't, the only spices I knew
about were salt and pepper.



The most convenient food is often the least good for you.


No kidding, we're back in our old neighborhood and going to the grocery
store I came accross those frozen pre-cooked chicken pieces we use to eat
several times/week. For the fun of it I looked at the ingredients and nut.
infos *shudders* Horrible!



I've educated myself, not only about healthy foods, but about tasty
foods, fresh veggies and fruits, spices and condiments that make the
foods I eat enjoyable without adding tons of fats to it.



Indian pulses om nom nom.


LOL


Now everything I eat has to be worth it, health wise, taste wise. I
eat about 1/3 (if not less) of the food I used to eat, but I enjoy
every single bite of it. That's why I'm satisfied with eating so much
less, because it's enjoyable. I don't have to keep eating in the hope
that the next bite is going to be better, it's all good!

I also eat all sorts of foods, carbs, proteins, sweets, whatever.



I am an enigma there. I don't care enough about sweets to worry about it.
But I DO enjoy my bread and potato every now and again.


I'm not huge on sweets either, chips would be my failing, and freshly
baked bread. I still eat them, but in small amount, just to be safe ;o)


Some of them in moderation, but there are no banned foods. I love
brownies, I have one every once in a while. If I had a store bought
brownie every day, it wouldn't taste that great, but a good fresh
bakery baked brownie every few weeks tastes heavenly!

Food is not the enemy, I love food, I love eating, I lost 70 lbs in
2002-2003 and have been maintaining since.



I lost ... I can't remember. Size 16 to size 6 a few years ago. I am
maintaining, kinda. I went up a couple of pounds. Back to journalling to
reset myself... As I drink my tastey rosemary veggie soup.

I've been playing with a few lbs up and down also, but it's nothing
compared to the 70+lbs I had to lose previously.

Recipes are always appreciated... just sayin'...

;op
Will~



  #23  
Old April 6th, 2009, 09:40 PM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Stormmee
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?

thanks, Lee
"Stephanie" wrote in message
...
Willow Herself wrote:
"Stephanie" wrote in message
...
Willow Herself wrote:
"Stephanie" wrote in message
...
Ron wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...


Makes sense. Weight control, like every other worthwhile goal in
life, requires discipline, dedication, and right thinking. In
other words, a healthy attitude of thinking about food as
something we take for sustenance rather than something we lust after
for
satisfaction. It should NOT involve slavish point-counting and
deprivation. The WW members in this NG who constantly post
recipes here and dream about what they will eat tomorrow - in
other words, who perpetuate their love of food - simply don't
understand this
fundamental point and will never maintain normal weight
naturally. Food is no different
from oxygen. We take it to live. We shouldn't live to take it.



I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our
lives. I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about
what I am eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces
that are a joy to my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be
assured that I have meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as
conform to my desired calorie intake.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful
thing! There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If
that attitude works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy
cooking, food will continue to be a wonderful thing to share with
family and friends and to enjoy!


AMEN!

Might I add that before I learned to eat healthy I did not enjoy
food, I just shoveled in whatever I had on hand. I could not cook, I
didn't know about what's good what isn't, the only spices I knew
about were salt and pepper.


The most convenient food is often the least good for you.


No kidding, we're back in our old neighborhood and going to the
grocery store I came accross those frozen pre-cooked chicken pieces
we use to eat several times/week. For the fun of it I looked at the
ingredients and nut. infos *shudders* Horrible!



I make chicken nuggets from scratch for the kids. They are basically jjst
bite sized pieces of boneless breast coated with breadcrumbs and parm or
crushed cookie crumbs. I make a ton and a half and freeze them. The
original output is more than buying thee packaged, of course. But when it
is time for lunch, they are just as easy. Take them out of the freezer and
pop them in the oven.





I've educated myself, not only about healthy foods, but about tasty
foods, fresh veggies and fruits, spices and condiments that make the
foods I eat enjoyable without adding tons of fats to it.


Indian pulses om nom nom.


LOL


Now everything I eat has to be worth it, health wise, taste wise. I
eat about 1/3 (if not less) of the food I used to eat, but I enjoy
every single bite of it. That's why I'm satisfied with eating so
much less, because it's enjoyable. I don't have to keep eating in
the hope that the next bite is going to be better, it's all good!

I also eat all sorts of foods, carbs, proteins, sweets, whatever.


I am an enigma there. I don't care enough about sweets to worry
about it. But I DO enjoy my bread and potato every now and again.


I'm not huge on sweets either, chips would be my failing, and freshly
baked bread. I still eat them, but in small amount, just to be safe
;o)




Yup I like bread.


Some of them in moderation, but there are no banned foods. I love
brownies, I have one every once in a while. If I had a store bought
brownie every day, it wouldn't taste that great, but a good fresh
bakery baked brownie every few weeks tastes heavenly!

Food is not the enemy, I love food, I love eating, I lost 70 lbs in
2002-2003 and have been maintaining since.


I lost ... I can't remember. Size 16 to size 6 a few years ago. I am
maintaining, kinda. I went up a couple of pounds. Back to
journalling to reset myself... As I drink my tastey rosemary veggie
soup.

I've been playing with a few lbs up and down also, but it's nothing
compared to the 70+lbs I had to lose previously.

Recipes are always appreciated... just sayin'...



Take all the free veggies you have hanging around that you want to use up
before they go bad, Put them in a pot with veggie or chicken broth. Simmer
with a few sprigs of rosemary and ssome garlic. Remove rosemary and puree
in a blender. Thin to drinking consistency, if needed. Freeze in single
serving portions. Dump into mug. Thaw/heat. Drink!

;op
Will~





  #24  
Old April 6th, 2009, 09:42 PM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
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totally agree, Lee
"Willow Herself" wrote in
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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"Stephanie" wrote in message
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[snip]

I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our
lives. I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about what
I am eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces that are a
joy to my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be assured that I
have meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as conform to my desired
calorie intake.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful
thing! There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If that
attitude works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy cooking,
food will continue to be a wonderful thing to share with family and
friends and to enjoy!


Yes there is nothing wrong with researching recipes and making food that
is a delight to the eye and palate. That can be quite a satisfying
hobby. BUT that does not mean a person can or should eat every last bite.
Eat simply was is need for sustenance and save the rest for another meal
or day. Share with other people.

Many of the WW recipes are a joy to the palate but that is no excuse to
eat too much.

I'm sorry, I don't see where anybody has said that it's ok to eat too
much. Where is the link between enjoying what you eat, and that meaning
that you eat too much?

I don't see how the two would be exclusive...

Will~





  #25  
Old April 7th, 2009, 02:00 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Dee Flint
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?


"Willow Herself" wrote in
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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"Stephanie" wrote in message
...

[snip]

I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our
lives. I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about what
I am eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces that are a
joy to my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be assured that I
have meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as conform to my desired
calorie intake.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful
thing! There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If that
attitude works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy cooking,
food will continue to be a wonderful thing to share with family and
friends and to enjoy!


Yes there is nothing wrong with researching recipes and making food that
is a delight to the eye and palate. That can be quite a satisfying
hobby. BUT that does not mean a person can or should eat every last bite.
Eat simply was is need for sustenance and save the rest for another meal
or day. Share with other people.

Many of the WW recipes are a joy to the palate but that is no excuse to
eat too much.

I'm sorry, I don't see where anybody has said that it's ok to eat too
much. Where is the link between enjoying what you eat, and that meaning
that you eat too much?

I don't see how the two would be exclusive...

Will~


You misunderstood me. I did not say there was a link. It happens that some
people do eat too much because they enjoy it and/or cooking it. If they can
master the philosophy of eating just what they need, there is no harm in
enjoying eating or cooking food.


  #26  
Old April 7th, 2009, 02:02 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Dee Flint
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"Stephanie" wrote in message
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Dee Flint wrote:
"Stephanie" wrote in message
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[snip]

I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our
lives. I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about
what I am eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces
that are a joy to my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be
assured that I have meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as
conform to my desired calorie intake.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful
thing! There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If
that attitude works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy
cooking, food will continue to be a wonderful thing to share with
family and friends and to enjoy!


Yes there is nothing wrong with researching recipes and making food
that is a delight to the eye and palate. That can be quite a
satisfying hobby. BUT that does not mean a person can or should eat
every last bite. Eat simply was is need for sustenance and save the
rest for another meal or day. Share with other people.

Many of the WW recipes are a joy to the palate but that is no excuse
to eat too much.



Hmmm. I wonder how many people on WW eat too MUCH. That seems an odd
concern.


It's pretty common for them to "fall off the wagon".


  #27  
Old April 7th, 2009, 04:07 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Willow Herself
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LOL Lee, don't get me started on that one!!!

Will~

"Stormmee" wrote in message
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I just realized, this logic would say that sex was only for procreation, I
THINK NOT, Lee
"Willow Herself" wrote in
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"Stephanie" wrote in message
...
Ron wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...



Makes sense. Weight control, like every other worthwhile goal in
life, requires discipline, dedication, and right thinking. In other
words, a healthy attitude of thinking about food as something we take
for sustenance rather than something we lust after for satisfaction. It
should NOT involve slavish point-counting and deprivation. The WW
members in this NG who constantly post recipes here and dream about
what they will eat tomorrow - in other words, who perpetuate their
love of food - simply don't understand this fundamental point and
will never maintain normal weight naturally. Food is no different
from oxygen. We take it to live. We shouldn't live to take it.



I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our
lives. I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about what
I am eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces that are a
joy to my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be assured that I
have meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as conform to my desired
calorie intake.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful
thing! There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If that
attitude works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy cooking,
food will continue to be a wonderful thing to share with family and
friends and to enjoy!


AMEN!

Might I add that before I learned to eat healthy I did not enjoy food, I
just shoveled in whatever I had on hand. I could not cook, I didn't know
about what's good what isn't, the only spices I knew about were salt and
pepper.

I've educated myself, not only about healthy foods, but about tasty
foods, fresh veggies and fruits, spices and condiments that make the
foods I eat enjoyable without adding tons of fats to it.

Now everything I eat has to be worth it, health wise, taste wise. I eat
about 1/3 (if not less) of the food I used to eat, but I enjoy every
single bite of it. That's why I'm satisfied with eating so much less,
because it's enjoyable. I don't have to keep eating in the hope that the
next bite is going to be better, it's all good!

I also eat all sorts of foods, carbs, proteins, sweets, whatever. Some of
them in moderation, but there are no banned foods. I love brownies, I
have one every once in a while. If I had a store bought brownie every
day, it wouldn't taste that great, but a good fresh bakery baked brownie
every few weeks tastes heavenly!

Food is not the enemy, I love food, I love eating, I lost 70 lbs in
2002-2003 and have been maintaining since.

Will~





  #28  
Old April 7th, 2009, 04:12 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Willow Herself
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?


"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Willow Herself" wrote in
message ...

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Stephanie" wrote in message
...

[snip]

I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our
lives. I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about what
I am eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces that are a
joy to my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be assured that I
have meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as conform to my
desired calorie intake.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful
thing! There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If that
attitude works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy cooking,
food will continue to be a wonderful thing to share with family and
friends and to enjoy!


Yes there is nothing wrong with researching recipes and making food that
is a delight to the eye and palate. That can be quite a satisfying
hobby. BUT that does not mean a person can or should eat every last
bite. Eat simply was is need for sustenance and save the rest for
another meal or day. Share with other people.

Many of the WW recipes are a joy to the palate but that is no excuse to
eat too much.

I'm sorry, I don't see where anybody has said that it's ok to eat too
much. Where is the link between enjoying what you eat, and that meaning
that you eat too much?

I don't see how the two would be exclusive...

Will~


You misunderstood me. I did not say there was a link. It happens that
some people do eat too much because they enjoy it and/or cooking it. If
they can master the philosophy of eating just what they need, there is no
harm in enjoying eating or cooking food.


I don't think that cooking enjoyable food is a cause for overeating. If one
is an overeater, whether it's good food, bad food, home cooked, or
microwaved in a box, it'll be the same thing.

Eating what you need is the only way to lose weight, but in no way does it
have anything to do with not researching new foods, experimenting in the
kitchen, and/or making sure that every bite is enjoyable. The two concept
just aren't related.. it's comparing oranges with apples.

Will~



  #29  
Old April 7th, 2009, 04:14 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Willow Herself
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?


"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Stephanie" wrote in message
...
Dee Flint wrote:
"Stephanie" wrote in message
...

[snip]

I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our
lives. I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about
what I am eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces
that are a joy to my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be
assured that I have meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as
conform to my desired calorie intake.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful
thing! There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If
that attitude works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy
cooking, food will continue to be a wonderful thing to share with
family and friends and to enjoy!


Yes there is nothing wrong with researching recipes and making food
that is a delight to the eye and palate. That can be quite a
satisfying hobby. BUT that does not mean a person can or should eat
every last bite. Eat simply was is need for sustenance and save the
rest for another meal or day. Share with other people.

Many of the WW recipes are a joy to the palate but that is no excuse
to eat too much.



Hmmm. I wonder how many people on WW eat too MUCH. That seems an odd
concern.


It's pretty common for them to "fall off the wagon".


As long as there IS a wagon, people will fall off of it. Be it a WW wagon,
Atkin wagon or whatever else.

Learning a new lifestyle means finding a new way to live, that is livable
long term, and enjoyable. That way there is no reason to fall "off the
wagon" cause there is no wagon to fall off of.

That's what WW is teaching. The diet mentality is strongly discouraged.




  #30  
Old April 7th, 2009, 04:14 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
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AMEN Lee..

Will~

"Stormmee" wrote in message
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do you wonder why someone who is so degrading of the WW lifestyle has a
psychological need to come here and abuse those who find this way of life
gratifying? makes me think obsessing over MY food is much healtheir than
obsessing over other people obsessing on food, Lee
"Stephanie" wrote in message
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"doug lerner" wrote in message
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I am re-posting one snippet from my other, longer thread, because I
am really curious about this while trying to decide what to do going
forward.

Basically, I find that journaling and calorie/point limits work and
diets without fixed limits don't work - at least for me. I realize
that dieting is not "one size fits all."

When I tried Weight Watchers Core for a while it didn't seem to work
at all. The diet doesn't make sense (to me anyway) because it is too
easy to take in too many calories even when following the rules
literally and not stuffing yourself. Want an avocado? Sure, it's a
vegetable so why not? Still hungry? Have another serving of fish or
chicken.

Core to me seem like Atkins with (1) more variety but (2) less
appetite control because you can eat all those insulin spiking foods
like bananas and corn and pineapple and so you never get your
cravings under control.

And when you reduce the trigger foods from Core you're almost back
to Atkins, with maybe less variety...

What I am curious about is this: Are there any really obese people
(like me) who have ever gotten to a normal BMI goal weight and kept
it off just following the Core plan? I am skeptical.

I know it is possible with Flex Points, but am skeptical about Core.

Thanks,

doug


There are success stories on the WW site about successful Core
losers. As I read core, there are a number of rules about some of the
categories of food. One still has to watch portion size for
example. Really paying attention to the satisfaction level is key
as well. You have to stop long before stuffed, long before full. You
stop at "satisfied", which is basically at the point where you
are no longer hungry. Since there is a time delay getting signals
to the brain, it's necessary to eat slowly. Core users are advised
to "stop and assess" half way through. I.e. stop eating, decide if
you are actually still hungry or not, then stop if you are no longer
hungry. It has worked for many but takes a different type of mindset.
You
have to have the strength to avoid emotional eating but eat only for
actual physical hunger not emotional hunger.

Makes sense. Weight control, like every other worthwhile goal in
life, requires discipline, dedication, and right thinking. In other
words, a healthy attitude of thinking about food as something we take
for sustenance rather than something we lust after for satisfaction. It
should NOT involve slavish point-counting and deprivation. The WW
members in this NG who constantly post recipes here and dream about
what they will eat tomorrow - in other words, who perpetuate their
love of food - simply don't understand this fundamental point and
will never maintain normal weight naturally. Food is no different
from oxygen. We take it to live. We shouldn't live to take it.




I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our lives.
I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about what I am
eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces that are a joy to
my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be assured that I have
meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as conform to my desired
calorie intake.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful
thing! There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If that
attitude works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy cooking,
food will continue to be a wonderful thing to share with family and
friends and to enjoy!





 




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