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  #31  
Old April 7th, 2009, 11:50 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
douglerner
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?

On Apr 7, 12:14*pm, "Willow Herself"
wrote:


That's what WW is teaching. The diet mentality is strongly discouraged.


This last part I still don't get though.

OK. I know people need whatever psychological "bag of tricks" and
system (be it points, calories, cutting back on carbs to reduce
appetite and hope the rest falls in to place, limited lists of
"filling foods", complicated rations of protein-fat-carbs, weekly
bonuses, whatever) to create some way to lose weight and maintain a
healthy lifestyle.

I call that a diet though. To me that's what it is. I *need* the rules
or I simply won't lose. The rules are, to me, constitute a diet. It's
a useful English word and I don't see a reason to avoid it.

Of course, as with most things, everybody feels differently about this
- and that is fine. If somebody finds the word "diet" bothersome or
burdensome and they prefer to call it a plan or a lifestyle that's
fine. But I think the English word for a plan or lifestyle that
determines what you eat is called a "diet" and the word doesn't bother
me at all.

In fact, saying that I am sticking to my "diet" sounds upbeat and
positive to me.

doug

  #32  
Old April 7th, 2009, 02:21 PM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Dee Flint
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?


"douglerner" wrote in message
...
On Apr 7, 12:14 pm, "Willow Herself"
wrote:


That's what WW is teaching. The diet mentality is strongly discouraged.


This last part I still don't get though.

OK. I know people need whatever psychological "bag of tricks" and
system (be it points, calories, cutting back on carbs to reduce
appetite and hope the rest falls in to place, limited lists of
"filling foods", complicated rations of protein-fat-carbs, weekly
bonuses, whatever) to create some way to lose weight and maintain a
healthy lifestyle.

I call that a diet though. To me that's what it is. I *need* the rules
or I simply won't lose. The rules are, to me, constitute a diet. It's
a useful English word and I don't see a reason to avoid it.

Of course, as with most things, everybody feels differently about this
- and that is fine. If somebody finds the word "diet" bothersome or
burdensome and they prefer to call it a plan or a lifestyle that's
fine. But I think the English word for a plan or lifestyle that
determines what you eat is called a "diet" and the word doesn't bother
me at all.

In fact, saying that I am sticking to my "diet" sounds upbeat and
positive to me.

doug


The trouble comes from the fact that "diet" has two related meanings. 1.
Your regular consumption whether or not you are trying to lose weight is
simply what you eat. 2. Restricting calories with the intention of losing
weight.

For many people, the second definition is the one they always think of and
subconsciously tie it to deprivation AND the thought that someday they will
be "done" and can quit the diet. However WW is trying to teach us to switch
to a healthy diet for life (i.e. making definition 1 a healthy diet). By
using "lifestyle" for it, they are emphasizing that this must be a
permanent, lifelong change to a healthy diet to keep the weight off. The
"rules" and "points" are simply a useful way to package the government food
pyramid in a form that people can easily understand and follow. Yes it is
all psychological but that is what it takes for most people to lose weight
AND MAINTAIN that loss.

Only a few people would have the strength to continue if you tell them that
they have to "diet" for the rest of their lives. They handle it much better
when it is presented as a lifestyle change.



  #33  
Old April 7th, 2009, 04:01 PM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Willow Herself
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?

Being on a "Diet" implies that it has an end.

If I'm following a diet to lose weight, that means I will eat a certain way
until I get to my goal weight, and then it'll be over.

That has been proven over and over again to be self defeating. What Weight
Watchers is trying to bring, is a new way to live, a new way to approach
foods, to exercise, and to the way to deal with one's feelings without food.

Successful members get that, they get to the point where it's not so much
about "getting to goal" but about living in a healthy manner.

If you live a healthy lifestyle, eat right, exercise all of it in a
reasonable, livable manner, then your weight will go down, and stay down.

The "rules" of the program, is simply a way to teach you what living healthy
is like, because obviously, we never learned, or we forgot, or we wouldn't
be here.

I found long term success when I realized that it wasn't so much about
bringing down my weight, but about taking care of my body, my mind and my
emotions. That goes far beyond counting points, or eating Core foods.

Will~

"douglerner" wrote in message
...
On Apr 7, 12:14 pm, "Willow Herself"
wrote:


That's what WW is teaching. The diet mentality is strongly discouraged.


This last part I still don't get though.

OK. I know people need whatever psychological "bag of tricks" and
system (be it points, calories, cutting back on carbs to reduce
appetite and hope the rest falls in to place, limited lists of
"filling foods", complicated rations of protein-fat-carbs, weekly
bonuses, whatever) to create some way to lose weight and maintain a
healthy lifestyle.

I call that a diet though. To me that's what it is. I *need* the rules
or I simply won't lose. The rules are, to me, constitute a diet. It's
a useful English word and I don't see a reason to avoid it.

Of course, as with most things, everybody feels differently about this
- and that is fine. If somebody finds the word "diet" bothersome or
burdensome and they prefer to call it a plan or a lifestyle that's
fine. But I think the English word for a plan or lifestyle that
determines what you eat is called a "diet" and the word doesn't bother
me at all.

In fact, saying that I am sticking to my "diet" sounds upbeat and
positive to me.

doug


  #34  
Old April 7th, 2009, 07:15 PM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Stormmee
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?

don't even know why it occured to me, but if that is the case, it would be
really tense around here, Lee
"Willow Herself" wrote in
message ...
LOL Lee, don't get me started on that one!!!

Will~

"Stormmee" wrote in message
...
I just realized, this logic would say that sex was only for procreation, I
THINK NOT, Lee
"Willow Herself" wrote in
message ...

"Stephanie" wrote in message
...
Ron wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...


Makes sense. Weight control, like every other worthwhile goal in
life, requires discipline, dedication, and right thinking. In other
words, a healthy attitude of thinking about food as something we take
for sustenance rather than something we lust after for satisfaction.
It should NOT involve slavish point-counting and deprivation. The WW
members in this NG who constantly post recipes here and dream about
what they will eat tomorrow - in other words, who perpetuate their
love of food - simply don't understand this fundamental point and
will never maintain normal weight naturally. Food is no different
from oxygen. We take it to live. We shouldn't live to take it.



I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our
lives. I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about what
I am eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces that are a
joy to my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be assured that I
have meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as conform to my
desired calorie intake.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful
thing! There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If that
attitude works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy cooking,
food will continue to be a wonderful thing to share with family and
friends and to enjoy!


AMEN!

Might I add that before I learned to eat healthy I did not enjoy food, I
just shoveled in whatever I had on hand. I could not cook, I didn't know
about what's good what isn't, the only spices I knew about were salt and
pepper.

I've educated myself, not only about healthy foods, but about tasty
foods, fresh veggies and fruits, spices and condiments that make the
foods I eat enjoyable without adding tons of fats to it.

Now everything I eat has to be worth it, health wise, taste wise. I eat
about 1/3 (if not less) of the food I used to eat, but I enjoy every
single bite of it. That's why I'm satisfied with eating so much less,
because it's enjoyable. I don't have to keep eating in the hope that the
next bite is going to be better, it's all good!

I also eat all sorts of foods, carbs, proteins, sweets, whatever. Some
of them in moderation, but there are no banned foods. I love brownies, I
have one every once in a while. If I had a store bought brownie every
day, it wouldn't taste that great, but a good fresh bakery baked brownie
every few weeks tastes heavenly!

Food is not the enemy, I love food, I love eating, I lost 70 lbs in
2002-2003 and have been maintaining since.

Will~







  #35  
Old April 7th, 2009, 07:19 PM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Stormmee
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?

totally agree and i was also thinking the difference between the food
/oxygen analogy is also apples and oranges, you do not make a decision to
breathe you make a decsion about the things you eat, so they are not even
compareable, Lee
"Willow Herself" wrote in
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Willow Herself" wrote in
message ...

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Stephanie" wrote in message
...

[snip]

I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our
lives. I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about
what I am eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces that
are a joy to my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be assured
that I have meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as conform to
my desired calorie intake.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful
thing! There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If that
attitude works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy
cooking, food will continue to be a wonderful thing to share with
family and friends and to enjoy!


Yes there is nothing wrong with researching recipes and making food
that is a delight to the eye and palate. That can be quite a
satisfying hobby. BUT that does not mean a person can or should eat
every last bite. Eat simply was is need for sustenance and save the
rest for another meal or day. Share with other people.

Many of the WW recipes are a joy to the palate but that is no excuse to
eat too much.

I'm sorry, I don't see where anybody has said that it's ok to eat too
much. Where is the link between enjoying what you eat, and that meaning
that you eat too much?

I don't see how the two would be exclusive...

Will~


You misunderstood me. I did not say there was a link. It happens that
some people do eat too much because they enjoy it and/or cooking it. If
they can master the philosophy of eating just what they need, there is no
harm in enjoying eating or cooking food.


I don't think that cooking enjoyable food is a cause for overeating. If
one is an overeater, whether it's good food, bad food, home cooked, or
microwaved in a box, it'll be the same thing.

Eating what you need is the only way to lose weight, but in no way does it
have anything to do with not researching new foods, experimenting in the
kitchen, and/or making sure that every bite is enjoyable. The two concept
just aren't related.. it's comparing oranges with apples.

Will~





  #36  
Old April 7th, 2009, 07:22 PM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Stormmee
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?

and is what has helped me to lose and not feel deprived, Lee
"Willow Herself" wrote in
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Stephanie" wrote in message
...
Dee Flint wrote:
"Stephanie" wrote in message
...

[snip]

I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our
lives. I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about
what I am eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces
that are a joy to my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be
assured that I have meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as
conform to my desired calorie intake.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful
thing! There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If
that attitude works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy
cooking, food will continue to be a wonderful thing to share with
family and friends and to enjoy!


Yes there is nothing wrong with researching recipes and making food
that is a delight to the eye and palate. That can be quite a
satisfying hobby. BUT that does not mean a person can or should eat
every last bite. Eat simply was is need for sustenance and save the
rest for another meal or day. Share with other people.

Many of the WW recipes are a joy to the palate but that is no excuse
to eat too much.


Hmmm. I wonder how many people on WW eat too MUCH. That seems an odd
concern.


It's pretty common for them to "fall off the wagon".


As long as there IS a wagon, people will fall off of it. Be it a WW wagon,
Atkin wagon or whatever else.

Learning a new lifestyle means finding a new way to live, that is livable
long term, and enjoyable. That way there is no reason to fall "off the
wagon" cause there is no wagon to fall off of.

That's what WW is teaching. The diet mentality is strongly discouraged.






  #37  
Old April 7th, 2009, 07:34 PM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Stormmee
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I think this is a matter of perception, "diet" to me is something you go ON
and OFF of, and many in this mind set say ..." when i am done with this diet
i wll be so happy to get that... " lifestyle to me is developing the skills,
knowledge and habits to a point where they are a part of your life like
getting dressed or taking a shower, I know most of the points for the foods
i eat on a regular basis and when we make a meal that needs to be pointed it
is just part of the dinner routine like setting the table, same for
portioning. it would feel odd at this point to put food in my mouth without
knowing the points first, am i perfect no, do i have to sometimes guess
when we are out, yes, but this is also part of the lifestyle, it is no
longer big effort or sress because it is jus how i eat now, do i wish i
could lose faster, yes, do i get frusterated, yes, but as with all other
aspects of my life, work, family, other relationships, there are ups and
downs, and that is the flow of life, i can never see a day when i won't eat
this way, Lee
"douglerner" wrote in message
...
On Apr 7, 12:14 pm, "Willow Herself"
wrote:


That's what WW is teaching. The diet mentality is strongly discouraged.


This last part I still don't get though.

OK. I know people need whatever psychological "bag of tricks" and
system (be it points, calories, cutting back on carbs to reduce
appetite and hope the rest falls in to place, limited lists of
"filling foods", complicated rations of protein-fat-carbs, weekly
bonuses, whatever) to create some way to lose weight and maintain a
healthy lifestyle.

I call that a diet though. To me that's what it is. I *need* the rules
or I simply won't lose. The rules are, to me, constitute a diet. It's
a useful English word and I don't see a reason to avoid it.

Of course, as with most things, everybody feels differently about this
- and that is fine. If somebody finds the word "diet" bothersome or
burdensome and they prefer to call it a plan or a lifestyle that's
fine. But I think the English word for a plan or lifestyle that
determines what you eat is called a "diet" and the word doesn't bother
me at all.

In fact, saying that I am sticking to my "diet" sounds upbeat and
positive to me.

doug


  #38  
Old April 7th, 2009, 09:16 PM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Willow Herself
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?

Well, if you're in a room that smells too good, maybe you'll breathe too
much...

;op

Will~

"Stormmee" wrote in message
...
totally agree and i was also thinking the difference between the food
/oxygen analogy is also apples and oranges, you do not make a decision to
breathe you make a decsion about the things you eat, so they are not even
compareable, Lee
"Willow Herself" wrote in
message ...

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Willow Herself" wrote in
message ...

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Stephanie" wrote in message
...

[snip]

I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our
lives. I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about
what I am eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces
that are a joy to my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be
assured that I have meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as
conform to my desired calorie intake.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful
thing! There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If that
attitude works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy
cooking, food will continue to be a wonderful thing to share with
family and friends and to enjoy!


Yes there is nothing wrong with researching recipes and making food
that is a delight to the eye and palate. That can be quite a
satisfying hobby. BUT that does not mean a person can or should eat
every last bite. Eat simply was is need for sustenance and save the
rest for another meal or day. Share with other people.

Many of the WW recipes are a joy to the palate but that is no excuse
to eat too much.

I'm sorry, I don't see where anybody has said that it's ok to eat too
much. Where is the link between enjoying what you eat, and that meaning
that you eat too much?

I don't see how the two would be exclusive...

Will~


You misunderstood me. I did not say there was a link. It happens that
some people do eat too much because they enjoy it and/or cooking it. If
they can master the philosophy of eating just what they need, there is
no harm in enjoying eating or cooking food.


I don't think that cooking enjoyable food is a cause for overeating. If
one is an overeater, whether it's good food, bad food, home cooked, or
microwaved in a box, it'll be the same thing.

Eating what you need is the only way to lose weight, but in no way does
it have anything to do with not researching new foods, experimenting in
the kitchen, and/or making sure that every bite is enjoyable. The two
concept just aren't related.. it's comparing oranges with apples.

Will~







  #39  
Old April 7th, 2009, 09:17 PM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Willow Herself
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?

Tense is the word... LOL

Will~

"Stormmee" wrote in message
...
don't even know why it occured to me, but if that is the case, it would be
really tense around here, Lee
"Willow Herself" wrote in
message ...
LOL Lee, don't get me started on that one!!!

Will~

"Stormmee" wrote in message
...
I just realized, this logic would say that sex was only for procreation,
I THINK NOT, Lee
"Willow Herself" wrote in
message ...

"Stephanie" wrote in message
...
Ron wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...


Makes sense. Weight control, like every other worthwhile goal in
life, requires discipline, dedication, and right thinking. In other
words, a healthy attitude of thinking about food as something we take
for sustenance rather than something we lust after for satisfaction.
It should NOT involve slavish point-counting and deprivation. The WW
members in this NG who constantly post recipes here and dream about
what they will eat tomorrow - in other words, who perpetuate their
love of food - simply don't understand this fundamental point and
will never maintain normal weight naturally. Food is no different
from oxygen. We take it to live. We shouldn't live to take it.



I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our
lives. I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about
what I am eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces that
are a joy to my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be assured
that I have meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as conform to
my desired calorie intake.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful
thing! There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If that
attitude works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy
cooking, food will continue to be a wonderful thing to share with
family and friends and to enjoy!


AMEN!

Might I add that before I learned to eat healthy I did not enjoy food,
I just shoveled in whatever I had on hand. I could not cook, I didn't
know about what's good what isn't, the only spices I knew about were
salt and pepper.

I've educated myself, not only about healthy foods, but about tasty
foods, fresh veggies and fruits, spices and condiments that make the
foods I eat enjoyable without adding tons of fats to it.

Now everything I eat has to be worth it, health wise, taste wise. I eat
about 1/3 (if not less) of the food I used to eat, but I enjoy every
single bite of it. That's why I'm satisfied with eating so much less,
because it's enjoyable. I don't have to keep eating in the hope that
the next bite is going to be better, it's all good!

I also eat all sorts of foods, carbs, proteins, sweets, whatever. Some
of them in moderation, but there are no banned foods. I love brownies,
I have one every once in a while. If I had a store bought brownie every
day, it wouldn't taste that great, but a good fresh bakery baked
brownie every few weeks tastes heavenly!

Food is not the enemy, I love food, I love eating, I lost 70 lbs in
2002-2003 and have been maintaining since.

Will~









  #40  
Old April 7th, 2009, 09:29 PM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Stormmee
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?

LOLOLOL, Lee
"Willow Herself" wrote in
message ...
Well, if you're in a room that smells too good, maybe you'll breathe too
much...

;op

Will~

"Stormmee" wrote in message
...
totally agree and i was also thinking the difference between the food
/oxygen analogy is also apples and oranges, you do not make a decision to
breathe you make a decsion about the things you eat, so they are not even
compareable, Lee
"Willow Herself" wrote in
message ...

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Willow Herself" wrote in
message ...

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Stephanie" wrote in message
...

[snip]

I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our
lives. I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about
what I am eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces
that are a joy to my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be
assured that I have meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as
conform to my desired calorie intake.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful
thing! There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If
that attitude works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy
cooking, food will continue to be a wonderful thing to share with
family and friends and to enjoy!


Yes there is nothing wrong with researching recipes and making food
that is a delight to the eye and palate. That can be quite a
satisfying hobby. BUT that does not mean a person can or should eat
every last bite. Eat simply was is need for sustenance and save the
rest for another meal or day. Share with other people.

Many of the WW recipes are a joy to the palate but that is no excuse
to eat too much.

I'm sorry, I don't see where anybody has said that it's ok to eat too
much. Where is the link between enjoying what you eat, and that
meaning that you eat too much?

I don't see how the two would be exclusive...

Will~


You misunderstood me. I did not say there was a link. It happens that
some people do eat too much because they enjoy it and/or cooking it.
If they can master the philosophy of eating just what they need, there
is no harm in enjoying eating or cooking food.


I don't think that cooking enjoyable food is a cause for overeating. If
one is an overeater, whether it's good food, bad food, home cooked, or
microwaved in a box, it'll be the same thing.

Eating what you need is the only way to lose weight, but in no way does
it have anything to do with not researching new foods, experimenting in
the kitchen, and/or making sure that every bite is enjoyable. The two
concept just aren't related.. it's comparing oranges with apples.

Will~









 




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