lowering of metabolism after weight loss

"wendy" wrote in message
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GaryG wrote:
Well...it's not rocket science either. Losing weight simply requires
consuming a few less calories per day than one burns.

And running a 4 minute mile simply require running a mile under 4 minutes.

Not everyone is able to run a 4-minute mile - it's not physically possible.

But, it is physically possible for anyone to consume a few less calories
than they burn each day. It can be challenging, because of they availability
of food, and the way it is consumed recreationally and socially.

Is it easy to lose weight? No.

Is it possible? Yes.



As with many other things in life, anything that requires patience and
persistence will tend to have a low rate of success. It's just a lot
easier
for most people to reach for the bag of snacks and the remote control,
rather than get up off the couch and go for a walk. But, that's more an
issue of personal priorities than metabolism.

Why is it easier? You don't forget to breath. You don't over drink
water. Why do you want to eat the snacks and use the remote control? It
could be different, but it's not. The influences are so built-in we
don't even recognize they are at play.

I didn't say it was easy...but, it's not as impossible as you make it sound.
One does have to become "aware", and make more intelligent choices with
respect to food choices and portions, and exercise. But, plenty of people
manage to do this.

GG

GaryG wrote:
"wendy" wrote in message
...

GaryG wrote:

Well...it's not rocket science either. Losing weight simply requires
consuming a few less calories per day than one burns.

And running a 4 minute mile simply require running a mile under 4 minutes.


Not everyone is able to run a 4-minute mile - it's not physically possible.

Rubish. It's just mind over matter. Just eat less exercise more. Wait,
that's for weight.

But, it is physically possible for anyone to consume a few less calories
than they burn each day.

And you know this how? As we are just learning about most of these
mechanisms and we are only a generation or two into the world of plenty
without exercise- there's no way for you to know. All evidence is going
the other way. Many yogis can control their breathing so they can stay
in a coffin for days. It's possible. Can the other 99.999956% of
humanity? Unlikely.

"wendy" wrote in message
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GaryG wrote:
"wendy" wrote in message
...

GaryG wrote:

Well...it's not rocket science either. Losing weight simply requires
consuming a few less calories per day than one burns.

And running a 4 minute mile simply require running a mile under 4
minutes.


Not everyone is able to run a 4-minute mile - it's not physically
possible.

Rubish. It's just mind over matter. Just eat less exercise more. Wait,
that's for weight.

But, it is physically possible for anyone to consume a few less calories
than they burn each day.

And you know this how? As we are just learning about most of these
mechanisms and we are only a generation or two into the world of plenty
without exercise- there's no way for you to know. All evidence is going
the other way. Many yogis can control their breathing so they can stay
in a coffin for days. It's possible. Can the other 99.999956% of
humanity? Unlikely.

So, we should all just give up then? Look for help through drugs and
surgery?

A wise person once said, "If you think you can, or you think you can't...you
are correct."

GG

GaryG wrote:
So, we should all just give up then? Look for help through drugs and
surgery?

Neither of which work either. I didn't say give up. But you also have to
have a realistic idea of what your are trying to accomplish.

A wise person once said, "If you think you can, or you think you can't...you
are correct."

I think i can fly by flapping my arms. I must be correct.

"wendy" wrote in message
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A wise person once said, "If you think you can, or you think you
can't...you
are correct."

I think i can fly by flapping my arms. I must be correct.


You can fly if you start out high enough, it's the landings that are hell.

--
No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

wendy wrote:
GaryG wrote:
"wendy" wrote in message
...

GaryG wrote:

Well...it's not rocket science either. Losing weight simply
requires consuming a few less calories per day than one burns.

And running a 4 minute mile simply require running a mile under 4
minutes.


Not everyone is able to run a 4-minute mile - it's not physically
possible.

Rubish. It's just mind over matter. Just eat less exercise more. Wait,
that's for weight.

But, it is physically possible for anyone to consume a few less
calories than they burn each day.

And you know this how? As we are just learning about most of these
mechanisms and we are only a generation or two into the world of
plenty without exercise- there's no way for you to know.

There's no way to know that anyone can consume a few less calories than they
burn each day? Nonsense.

All evidence
is going
the other way.

And you know this how? Most who generate this "evidence" aren't even trying.

Many yogis can control their breathing so they can stay
in a coffin for days. It's possible. Can the other 99.999956% of
humanity? Unlikely.

Meaningless.

Their thyroid glands didn't change. If the only reason they lost weight was
less calories, then they didn't build muscle. You have to exercise to be
healthy and build muscle.



"wendy" wrote in message
...

A while ago there was some discussion on if the body adjusts metabolism
after weight loss to maintain the higher weight. Here's an article that
talks about the issue:

Why lost weight returns after dieting
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=2955

The data suggests that weight loss in obese, obesity-prone rats, induced
by caloric restriction, is accompanied by metabolic adaptations that
predispose one to regain the lost weight. In rats that are losing weight,
this is exhibited by a significant reduction in metabolic rate, measured
as both 24-hour energy expenditure and sleeping metabolic rate, both
independent of metabolic mass and energy intake. This adaptation persists
after eight weeks of intake-regulated weight maintenance, but is no longer
present with eight subsequent weeks of feeding at-will where rats are
regaining lost weight. While rats that are regaining weight may have a
shift in appetite that would contribute to their high rate of weight
regain, the drive to increase food intake remains the most critical factor
in the predisposition to regain lost weight. This adjustment clearly
weighs more on the energy balance equation than the metabolic adjustment
on energy expenditure observed in this or any other study.

Additionally, the effect that energy intake, or more particularly,
carbohydrate intake, has on respiratory quotient [dividing the amount of
CO2 produced (VCO2) by the amount of oxygen uptake (VO2)]. RQ is much more
dramatic than the metabolic adjustment observed from weight reduction.
This drive to increase food intake likely involves environmental stimuli
(diet composition, food palatability, physical activity) influencing
motivational and metabolic components of a genetically determined set of
central systems.

While the data suggest that these metabolic adaptations might hinder
successful weight maintenance, it should not imply that successful weight
maintenance is unachievable. Even with the increased intake of
carbohydrates, regular physical exercise may be the key factor that
counteracts these metabolic adaptations to weight loss.

----

I notice that after everyone of these pronouncements saying how hard
weight is to lose they say something like it's not unachievable. How hard
does something have to be before people stop trying to achieve it?
Not very hard.

wendy wrote:

Ignoramus21798 wrote:
It all depends on how much you want it.

So if you want it bad enough you can be a four minute miler? I think
not. Your physical body establishes what is ultimately possible.

Numerous people lose weight
and keep it off, not without difficulties. It is not impossible.

Nor is it easy enough to expect even the majority of people to be able
to do it.

The 2PD-OMER Approach is simple enough.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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Ignoramus21798 wrote:

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It all depends on how much you want it. Numerous people lose weight
and keep it off, not without difficulties. It is not impossible.

More than 625,550 people for more than 5 years without regain:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp


At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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wendy wrote:

A while ago there was some discussion on if the body adjusts metabolism
after weight loss to maintain the higher weight. Here's an article that
talks about the issue:

Why lost weight returns after dieting
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=2955

The data suggests that weight loss in obese, obesity-prone rats, induced
by caloric restriction, is accompanied by metabolic adaptations that
predispose one to regain the lost weight. In rats that are losing
weight, this is exhibited by a significant reduction in metabolic rate,
measured as both 24-hour energy expenditure and sleeping metabolic rate,
both independent of metabolic mass and energy intake. This adaptation
persists after eight weeks of intake-regulated weight maintenance, but
is no longer present with eight subsequent weeks of feeding at-will
where rats are regaining lost weight. While rats that are regaining
weight may have a shift in appetite that would contribute to their high
rate of weight regain, the drive to increase food intake remains the
most critical factor in the predisposition to regain lost weight. This
adjustment clearly weighs more on the energy balance equation than the
metabolic adjustment on energy expenditure observed in this or any other
study.

Additionally, the effect that energy intake, or more particularly,
carbohydrate intake, has on respiratory quotient [dividing the amount of
CO2 produced (VCO2) by the amount of oxygen uptake (VO2)]. RQ is much
more dramatic than the metabolic adjustment observed from weight
reduction. This drive to increase food intake likely involves
environmental stimuli (diet composition, food palatability, physical
activity) influencing motivational and metabolic components of a
genetically determined set of central systems.

While the data suggest that these metabolic adaptations might hinder
successful weight maintenance, it should not imply that successful
weight maintenance is unachievable. Even with the increased intake of
carbohydrates, regular physical exercise may be the key factor that
counteracts these metabolic adaptations to weight loss.

----

I notice that after everyone of these pronouncements saying how hard
weight is to lose they say something like it's not unachievable.

I believe that is because they have encountered some of the more than
625,550 people who have achieved lasting ( 5 yrs) weight loss using the
2PD-OMER Approach.


At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129