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Old January 30th, 2004, 12:17 PM
Carol Frilegh
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High-carb diet works: Study
Participants had loads of carbohydrates and reduced fat intake

Flies in the face of Atkins' low-carb craze; some expert

LINDSEY TANNER
ASSOCIATED PRESS

CHICAGO In the midst of the low-carb craze, a new study suggests that
by eating lots of carbohydrates and little fat, it is possible to lose
weight without actually cutting calories, and without exercising,
either.

The study was small, consisting of just 34 overweight adults who either
ate the recommended diet for three months; ate the recommended diet and
exercised regularly; or ate pretty much what they usually eat.

All meals were prepared for participants, who were instructed to eat as
much as they wanted. They were also told to return any uneaten food,
which the researchers said enabled them to calculate calorie intake.

Many doctors dispute whether people can lose weight without reducing
their food intake, and at least one questioned the study's accuracy.

But the diet is more compatible with conventional notions of healthful
eating than the fatty, low-carbohydrate Atkins and South Beach diets.

Participants on the recommended diet lost about seven pounds without
cutting calories and without exercise, and almost 11 pounds with 45
minutes of stationary bike-riding four times weekly. The control group
lost no weight.

The findings appeared in the Archives Of Internal Medicine.

Gary Foster, clinical director of the University of Pennsylvania's
Weight and Eating Disorders Program, said he suspects participants who
lost weight ate less than what was reported. He said that while he
recommends a low-fat, high carb diet to patients, without calorie
reduction it would be "a public health disaster."

"The whole idea that you could lose weight without reducing energy
intake flies in the face of 100 years of data," Foster said.

Lead author William Evans of the University of Arkansas for Medical
Sciences stood by his findings.

"Calories in, minus calories out does not always determine the amount
of weight loss," Evans said. "This is because we metabolize fats and
carbohydrates very differently."

American Dietetic Association spokeswoman Cindy Moore agreed and said
with low-carb diets hogging the spotlight, "it may be a reminder that
we can lose weight in a variety of different ways."

Foods on the successful diets included high-fibre cereal, vegetarian
chili, whole-wheat spaghetti, many fruits and vegetables, and skim
milk. Daily calories totalled about 2,400, similar to participants'
usual consumption.

The control group also received prepared meals with similar calories,
but the foods included sausage, scrambled eggs, macaroni and cheese,
french fries, whole milk and fewer fruits and vegetables.

The successful diet was not tested against Atkins and other low-carb
regimens, which contain more fat and fewer carbs than the control group
diet.

It's likely that there will be more studies challenging the current,
popular conviction that the way to lose weight is to cut way back on
carbs. The pendulum may even swing to where it was in the mid-1990s
when dietary fat was the great enemy, blamed for obesity, heart disease
and high cholesterol counts. Health conscious people busily counted fat
grams. By the mid-1990s, the number of new foods and beverages whose
labels proclaimed "no fat'' or "low fat" hit an all-time high.

But in the last five to 10 years, the carbohydrate became the bad guy
du jour. A new generation of dieters, following weight-loss plans such
as the Atkins and South Beach diets, began gobbling up animal proteins
and high-fat dairy products and sullying their plates with only the
most minute portions of starches and sugars.

Just as food manufacturers once responded to fat-bashing by banishing
fat from dairy products, frozen dinners and snacks, companies became
focused on the low-carbohydrate ‹ make that "net carbs" ‹ bandwagon.

Walk the aisles of the supermarket now, and you'll find breads, frozen
dinners, ice cream, cereal and power bars with reduced carbohydrate
content.

Foods designed for low-carbohydrate diets are making the transition
from a specialty item in the health-food section to shelves throughout
the store.

But it's entirely possible that, at some point that may not be too far
off, carbs will once more be regarded as benign while fat once again
becomes the enemy.

In the meantime, nutritionists generally advocate a balanced diet that
includes proper amounts of protein, fats and carbohydrates,
particularly complex carbs that are

--
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There is no substitute for the right food
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Old January 30th, 2004, 01:31 PM
Beverly
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I think they'll be arguing which diet is best for years to come. In the
meantime, I'll continue with my balanced diet (controlled calories
consisting of good carbs, protein and fat). This diet along with exercise
has never failed me. We just need to find a healthy eating style that fits
our own tastes and lifestyle.


Beverly


"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message
...
High-carb diet works: Study
Participants had loads of carbohydrates and reduced fat intake

Flies in the face of Atkins' low-carb craze; some expert

LINDSEY TANNER
ASSOCIATED PRESS

CHICAGO In the midst of the low-carb craze, a new study suggests that
by eating lots of carbohydrates and little fat, it is possible to lose
weight without actually cutting calories, and without exercising,
either.

The study was small, consisting of just 34 overweight adults who either
ate the recommended diet for three months; ate the recommended diet and
exercised regularly; or ate pretty much what they usually eat.

All meals were prepared for participants, who were instructed to eat as
much as they wanted. They were also told to return any uneaten food,
which the researchers said enabled them to calculate calorie intake.

Many doctors dispute whether people can lose weight without reducing
their food intake, and at least one questioned the study's accuracy.

But the diet is more compatible with conventional notions of healthful
eating than the fatty, low-carbohydrate Atkins and South Beach diets.

Participants on the recommended diet lost about seven pounds without
cutting calories and without exercise, and almost 11 pounds with 45
minutes of stationary bike-riding four times weekly. The control group
lost no weight.

The findings appeared in the Archives Of Internal Medicine.

Gary Foster, clinical director of the University of Pennsylvania's
Weight and Eating Disorders Program, said he suspects participants who
lost weight ate less than what was reported. He said that while he
recommends a low-fat, high carb diet to patients, without calorie
reduction it would be "a public health disaster."

"The whole idea that you could lose weight without reducing energy
intake flies in the face of 100 years of data," Foster said.

Lead author William Evans of the University of Arkansas for Medical
Sciences stood by his findings.

"Calories in, minus calories out does not always determine the amount
of weight loss," Evans said. "This is because we metabolize fats and
carbohydrates very differently."

American Dietetic Association spokeswoman Cindy Moore agreed and said
with low-carb diets hogging the spotlight, "it may be a reminder that
we can lose weight in a variety of different ways."

Foods on the successful diets included high-fibre cereal, vegetarian
chili, whole-wheat spaghetti, many fruits and vegetables, and skim
milk. Daily calories totalled about 2,400, similar to participants'
usual consumption.

The control group also received prepared meals with similar calories,
but the foods included sausage, scrambled eggs, macaroni and cheese,
french fries, whole milk and fewer fruits and vegetables.

The successful diet was not tested against Atkins and other low-carb
regimens, which contain more fat and fewer carbs than the control group
diet.

It's likely that there will be more studies challenging the current,
popular conviction that the way to lose weight is to cut way back on
carbs. The pendulum may even swing to where it was in the mid-1990s
when dietary fat was the great enemy, blamed for obesity, heart disease
and high cholesterol counts. Health conscious people busily counted fat
grams. By the mid-1990s, the number of new foods and beverages whose
labels proclaimed "no fat'' or "low fat" hit an all-time high.

But in the last five to 10 years, the carbohydrate became the bad guy
du jour. A new generation of dieters, following weight-loss plans such
as the Atkins and South Beach diets, began gobbling up animal proteins
and high-fat dairy products and sullying their plates with only the
most minute portions of starches and sugars.

Just as food manufacturers once responded to fat-bashing by banishing
fat from dairy products, frozen dinners and snacks, companies became
focused on the low-carbohydrate make that "net carbs" bandwagon.

Walk the aisles of the supermarket now, and you'll find breads, frozen
dinners, ice cream, cereal and power bars with reduced carbohydrate
content.

Foods designed for low-carbohydrate diets are making the transition
from a specialty item in the health-food section to shelves throughout
the store.

But it's entirely possible that, at some point that may not be too far
off, carbs will once more be regarded as benign while fat once again
becomes the enemy.

In the meantime, nutritionists generally advocate a balanced diet that
includes proper amounts of protein, fats and carbohydrates,
particularly complex carbs that are

--
Diva
******
There is no substitute for the right food



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Old January 30th, 2004, 04:55 PM
A Ross
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In article ,
"Beverly" wrote:

I think they'll be arguing which diet is best for years to come.
In the
meantime, I'll continue with my balanced diet (controlled calories
consisting of good carbs, protein and fat). This diet along with
exercise
has never failed me. We just need to find a healthy eating style
that fits
our own tastes and lifestyle.


Beverly


Amen to that. I love it when people ask what "program" I'm on,
and I say "the Eat Less, Exercise More" diet. They hate it.

Amy

168/115
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Old January 30th, 2004, 06:42 PM
Carol Frilegh
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In article , Ignoramus11235
wrote:

So, they put people on a diet severely deficient in some
macronutrients, forced them to eat meals prepared by researchers
(which means cutting out their favorite junk foods etc), which likely
taste very bland (lowfat stuff), and surprise, those people lost
weight!!!

I see no medical miracle here and also, no basis for a claim that
"calories do not matter". What I see is that on such a diet, people
naturally eat less, at least for a while.


Sweetie, I just post em. I really don't pay much attention as my diet
is fairly engraved in wheat free stone. The only current variable is do
I go back to the thyroid pills or write it all off to a hibernating
snosy, very cold winter and pray for an early sprin? Then I can walk
outside again. i can't use a treadmill because of the latex, but will
increase stair climbing.

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Old January 30th, 2004, 06:44 PM
Diarmid Logan
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Carol Frilegh wrote in message ...
High-carb diet works: Study
Participants had loads of carbohydrates and reduced fat intake

Flies in the face of Atkins' low-carb craze; some expert

LINDSEY TANNER
ASSOCIATED PRESS

CHICAGO In the midst of the low-carb craze, a new study suggests that
by eating lots of carbohydrates and little fat, it is possible to lose
weight without actually cutting calories, and without exercising,
either.



Check this out:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,109890,00.html

Atkins Attack

By Steven Milloy

Already-confused dieters are no doubt reeling from reports this week
of a new study linking a high-carbohydrate diet with weight loss.

Rather than well-conducted scientific research, though, the new study
appears to be merely a junk science-fueled attack by government
nannies on politically incorrect low-carbohydrate regimens like the
Atkins Diet (search).

"In the midst of the low-carb craze, a new study suggests that by
eating lots of carbohydrates and little fat, it is possible to lose
weight without actually cutting calories - and without
exercising, either," reported The Associated Press this week.

"Revenge of the High-Carb Diet - Ha! It Works, Too" was the
Reuters headline.

But unlike the sensationalistic media, which tend to limit their
reporting of new study claims to regurgitated press releases and sound
bites from study authors, I actually read the study in the Jan. 26
issue of the Archives of Internal Medicine.

It didn't take long to discover why study subjects on the
high-carbohydrate diet lost weight - they ate fewer calories!

The researchers divided the 34 study subjects into three groups: a
control group of 12 individuals who consumed a low-carbohydrate diet
(search); a group of 11 individuals who consumed a high-carbohydrate
diet; and a group of 11 individuals who consumed a high-carbohydrate
diet and did aerobic exercise.

Study subjects were provided with foods constituting 150 percent of
their required daily caloric intake and instructed to eat as much as
they wanted. Carbohydrates constituted 45 percent of the control
groups' calories and about 62 percent for the high-carbohydrate
groups.

After 12 weeks, the study subjects on the control diet weighed the
same as when the study started. But study subjects on the
high-carbohydrate diet lost weight: about five pounds on average for
those in the high-carbohydrate-only group and about 10 pounds for
those in the high-carbohydrate-plus-exercise group.

To the study authors and media, these superficial "results" apparently
prove that you can lose weight while eating as many carbohydrates as
you like - and you don't even have to exercise.

It might be a couch potato's fantasy come true - except that the
study details tell a different story.

As it turns out, study subjects in the high-carbohydrate groups
consumed about 400-600 calories less per day than those in the control
group. Over the 12-week period of the study, then, the average study
subject in the high-carbohydrate group consumed about 42,000 calories
less than the average study subject in the control group.

Since a pound of fat represents about 3,500 calories, it's no wonder
why those in the high-carbohydrate group lost weight. It was because
they ate less, not because of any magical effects of a
high-carbohydrate diet.

Although the media's apparent lack of interest in examining the actual
study data is disappointing, the inaccurate description of the study
to the media by lead author William J. Evans of the University of
Arkansas for Medical Sciences is even more dismaying.

He told Reuters that the study subjects ate "around 2,500 calories per
day," thereby implying that the only difference in their diets was the
amount of carbohydrates. That's just plain misleading.

Control group subjects averaged 2,825 calories per day during the
12-week study; high-carbohydrate group subjects averaged 2250 calories
per day and high-carbohydrate-plus-exercise subjects averaged 2,413
calories.

Such variation over 12 weeks adds up to significant differences in
total caloric intake and is most likely what produced the observed
weight loss in the high-carbohydrate groups.

The study authors then had the audacity to slam low-carbohydrate
diets, such as the Atkins diet, as a means to lose weight.

"Little evidence exists to support this idea," wrote the study
authors.

But it appears that there's not even that much evidence in favor of
their all-the-carbs-you-can-eat idea.

It's no secret that nutrition nannies in the federal government oppose
high-protein/low-carbohydrate diets like the Atkins plan ― not
because such diets don't work but because their fat-is-OK approach
contradicts the nannies' low-fat dietary prescriptions of the last 30
years. (The irony of course is that obesity has supposedly skyrocketed
while America went low-fat.)

Evans and his group, not surprisingly, were funded by the National
Institutes of Health, a government group that claims in bold-face on
its Web site that "[High-protein/low-carb diets are] not a healthy way
to lose weight!"

That may or may not be true. Much more research is needed. Hopefully
that research won't be conducted by biased, government-funded research
hacks.


Steven Milloy is the publisher of JunkScience.com, an adjunct scholar
at the Cato Institute and the author of Junk Science Judo:
Self-Defense Against Health Scares and Scams (Cato Institute, 2001).
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Old January 30th, 2004, 07:26 PM
That T Woman
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"Ignoramus11235" wrote in message
...
In article , Carol Frilegh wrote:
In article , Ignoramus11235
wrote:

So, they put people on a diet severely deficient in some
macronutrients, forced them to eat meals prepared by researchers
(which means cutting out their favorite junk foods etc), which likely
taste very bland (lowfat stuff), and surprise, those people lost
weight!!!

I see no medical miracle here and also, no basis for a claim that
"calories do not matter". What I see is that on such a diet, people
naturally eat less, at least for a while.


Sweetie, I just post em. I really don't pay much attention as my diet
is fairly engraved in wheat free stone.


I did not mean to offend you at all. Thanks for posting. I just noted
that I find the news article to be rather disingenious.

The only current variable is do
I go back to the thyroid pills or write it all off to a hibernating
snosy, very cold winter and pray for an early sprin? Then I can walk
outside again. i can't use a treadmill because of the latex, but will
increase stair climbing.


Just how cold it is where you are now? I walked 50 minutes this
morning in -5F weather, it was rather pleasant.

i


OK, you *enjoy* being hungry and now you tell us that you find a temp cold
enough to freeze a person solid in a relatively short time, pleasant. I
don't know about you, ig. Your mileage most definitely varies from most
people, I think. I've been watching the temp here anxiously because it's
supposed to be up to 60F and I want to go out walking when it gets there.
I'd be buried under every blanket and quilt we own, wearing every sweater
that I have if the temperature got down to -5F here.

Tonia


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Old January 30th, 2004, 07:30 PM
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carol,
what was your reason for going off your thyroid med in the first
place?

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"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message
...
In article , Ignoramus11235
wrote:

So, they put people on a diet severely deficient in some
macronutrients, forced them to eat meals prepared by researchers
(which means cutting out their favorite junk foods etc), which

likely
taste very bland (lowfat stuff), and surprise, those people lost
weight!!!

I see no medical miracle here and also, no basis for a claim

that
"calories do not matter". What I see is that on such a diet,

people
naturally eat less, at least for a while.


Sweetie, I just post em. I really don't pay much attention as my

diet
is fairly engraved in wheat free stone. The only current variable

is do
I go back to the thyroid pills or write it all off to a

hibernating
snosy, very cold winter and pray for an early sprin? Then I can

walk
outside again. i can't use a treadmill because of the latex, but

will
increase stair climbing.

--
Diva
******
There is no substitute for the right food



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Old January 30th, 2004, 07:51 PM
That T Woman
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"Ignoramus11235" wrote in message
...
In article , That T Woman wrote:

"Ignoramus11235" wrote in message
...
In article , Carol Frilegh wrote:
In article , Ignoramus11235
wrote:

So, they put people on a diet severely deficient in some
macronutrients, forced them to eat meals prepared by researchers
(which means cutting out their favorite junk foods etc), which

likely
taste very bland (lowfat stuff), and surprise, those people lost
weight!!!

I see no medical miracle here and also, no basis for a claim that
"calories do not matter". What I see is that on such a diet, people
naturally eat less, at least for a while.


Sweetie, I just post em. I really don't pay much attention as my diet
is fairly engraved in wheat free stone.

I did not mean to offend you at all. Thanks for posting. I just noted
that I find the news article to be rather disingenious.

The only current variable is do
I go back to the thyroid pills or write it all off to a hibernating
snosy, very cold winter and pray for an early sprin? Then I can walk
outside again. i can't use a treadmill because of the latex, but will
increase stair climbing.


Just how cold it is where you are now? I walked 50 minutes this
morning in -5F weather, it was rather pleasant.

i


OK, you *enjoy* being hungry and now you tell us that you find a temp

cold
enough to freeze a person solid in a relatively short time, pleasant. I
don't know about you, ig.



I grew up in a cold country, and cold weather reminds me of
childhood. I bought an awesom winter jacket a few weeks ago, it is the
warmest thing I have ever seen and very comfortable. Only $59.99.

Your mileage most definitely varies from most
people, I think. I've been watching the temp here anxiously because

it's
supposed to be up to 60F and I want to go out walking when it gets

there.
I'd be buried under every blanket and quilt we own, wearing every

sweater
that I have if the temperature got down to -5F here.


Sounds like a metabolism thing to me!

i


I don't think it would be just me, people here would be freaking out all
over the place if it got down to -5F! You should have seen them earlier
this month when it snowed. My DH wouldn't let me go to the gym because it's
a drive across town and most people don't slow down and drive careful, it's
speed up and get home as fast as they can. The average temperature for this
date is 54F. The temperatures here in the summer get to over a 100F but
usually stay in the 90s. I think that with me too it's what I've grown up
with and I'd not adapt very well if we moved up to the frozen north!

Tonia


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Old January 30th, 2004, 08:03 PM
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That T Woman wrote:



I don't think it would be just me, people here would be freaking out all
over the place if it got down to -5F! You should have seen them earlier
this month when it snowed. My DH wouldn't let me go to the gym because it's
a drive across town and most people don't slow down and drive careful, it's
speed up and get home as fast as they can. The average temperature for this
date is 54F. The temperatures here in the summer get to over a 100F but
usually stay in the 90s. I think that with me too it's what I've grown up
with and I'd not adapt very well if we moved up to the frozen north!

Tonia





-5F I wish it were that warm today! I woke up to -20F.

Minnesota weather, it keeps the riff-raff out.

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Old January 30th, 2004, 08:09 PM
Carol Frilegh
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In article , Ignoramus11235
wrote:

In article , Carol Frilegh wrote:
In article , Ignoramus11235
wrote:

So, they put people on a diet severely deficient in some
macronutrients, forced them to eat meals prepared by researchers
(which means cutting out their favorite junk foods etc), which likely
taste very bland (lowfat stuff), and surprise, those people lost
weight!!!

I see no medical miracle here and also, no basis for a claim that
"calories do not matter". What I see is that on such a diet, people
naturally eat less, at least for a while.


Sweetie, I just post em. I really don't pay much attention as my diet
is fairly engraved in wheat free stone.


I did not mean to offend you at all. Thanks for posting. I just noted
that I find the news article to be rather disingenious.

The only current variable is do
I go back to the thyroid pills or write it all off to a hibernating
snosy, very cold winter and pray for an early sprin? Then I can walk
outside again. i can't use a treadmill because of the latex, but will
increase stair climbing.


Just how cold it is where you are now? I walked 50 minutes this
morning in -5F weather, it was rather pleasant.


And shovelled? At 73 I don't car for a fall.

i


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