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#11
March 27th, 2007, 11:28 PM
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Kroger Carb Master Yogurt -- Fantastic
"Roger Zoul" wrote in message ... BlueBrooke wrote: :: On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:42:11 -0400, "Roger Zoul" :: wrote: :: ::: Jbuch wrote: ::::: UsenetID wrote: :::::: "Mel" wrote in message :::::: ups.com... :::::: ::::::: I love yogurt, and most of the stores around here don't carry ::::::: any low- carb yogurt except for the chalky stuff that comes in ::::::: four tiny 1/2- cups in a pack, that is three or four carbs per ::::::: 1/2-cup. ::::::: ::::::: I happened across Kroger's new "Carb Master" yogurt the other ::::::: day here in the Atlanta area. It is goooood stuff. I like all ::::::: the flavors except for vanilla which isn't bad, it just is ::::::: boring. ::::::: ::::::: You get a full-sized carton of yogurt and it is only 3 carbs. ::::::: ::::::: I know this sounds like an ad, but I'm worried that Kroger will ::::::: stop carrying it if it doesn't sell well enough. ::::::: ::::::: I've told the manager in every store I've been in that they ::::::: should carry the stuff forever and ever. ::::::: ::::::: Go out and buy lots of the stuff so it will always be available ::::::: to ME!! :::::: :::::: :::::: Their I used to eat their CarbMaster yogurt when I lived near a :::::: Kroger...but since I started making my own yogurt, no :::::: store-bought yogurt can even compare! Good thing too, since our :::::: nearest Kroger is over an hour away. I used to enjoy Blue :::::: Bunny's low carb yogurt also, in those days. Glad you found :::::: something you enjoy so much  .:::::: ::::: ::::: Are the claims about a low carb count of "aged" yogurt known to be ::::: true? ::::: ::::: In effect, the claim is that the carb count on the store bought ::::: container aren't correct because bacteria metabolize the carbs. ::::: If I understood the claim, that is. ::: ::: According to Bob P, it would be true for properly prepared yogurt. ::: But my question always remains: how can I know if the label does ::: claim it? BG? If it passes that test for a diabetic, perhaps it's ::: ok. For the LCer trying to stay within a range? That's tricker. ::: If you eat enough to cause a sudden water weight, then you have ::: your answer. Unless it's really sweet, I doubt most people will do ::: that. One can also use keto-sticks, I guess. :: :: Hi, Roger -- :: :: Here are my numbers for last summer, using Dannon Plain: :: :: 2 oz blueberries, 1/2 c. yogurt -- Pre 83 mg/dl, 1hr 132 mg/dl, 2hr :: 97 mg/dl :: :: This was back when my fastings were down around 75-80 mg/dl. :: :: So, for me, it passes the diabetic test. Though some wouldn't like :: that big jump from 83 to 132, it went right back down again. I consider that scary. Have you tried eating some fat with it? There has been research that shows that damage does occur above 105 or so. It's good that it goes back down quickly, but given the loose way the medical establishment has dealt with diabetes in the past, I'd rather err on the side of caution. Most of the time, anyway. I thought normal BG was between 70-130 - so 105 would be smack dab in the middle of normal - why would that cause damage? 
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#12
March 28th, 2007, 01:44 AM
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The Operator wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message :: ... ::: BlueBrooke wrote: ::::: On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:42:11 -0400, "Roger Zoul" ::::: wrote: ::::: :::::: Jbuch wrote: :::::::: UsenetID wrote: ::::::::: "Mel" wrote in message ::::::::: ups.com... ::::::::: :::::::::: I love yogurt, and most of the stores around here don't carry :::::::::: any low- carb yogurt except for the chalky stuff that comes :::::::::: in four tiny 1/2- cups in a pack, that is three or four :::::::::: carbs per 1/2-cup. :::::::::: :::::::::: I happened across Kroger's new "Carb Master" yogurt the other :::::::::: day here in the Atlanta area. It is goooood stuff. I like :::::::::: all the flavors except for vanilla which isn't bad, it just :::::::::: is boring. :::::::::: :::::::::: You get a full-sized carton of yogurt and it is only 3 carbs. :::::::::: :::::::::: I know this sounds like an ad, but I'm worried that Kroger :::::::::: will stop carrying it if it doesn't sell well enough. :::::::::: :::::::::: I've told the manager in every store I've been in that they :::::::::: should carry the stuff forever and ever. :::::::::: :::::::::: Go out and buy lots of the stuff so it will always be :::::::::: available to ME!! ::::::::: ::::::::: ::::::::: Their I used to eat their CarbMaster yogurt when I lived near ::::::::: a Kroger...but since I started making my own yogurt, no ::::::::: store-bought yogurt can even compare! Good thing too, since ::::::::: our nearest Kroger is over an hour away. I used to enjoy Blue ::::::::: Bunny's low carb yogurt also, in those days. Glad you found ::::::::: something you enjoy so much .::::::::: :::::::: :::::::: Are the claims about a low carb count of "aged" yogurt known :::::::: to be true? :::::::: :::::::: In effect, the claim is that the carb count on the store bought :::::::: container aren't correct because bacteria metabolize the carbs. :::::::: If I understood the claim, that is. :::::: :::::: According to Bob P, it would be true for properly prepared :::::: yogurt. But my question always remains: how can I know if the :::::: label does claim it? BG? If it passes that test for a :::::: diabetic, perhaps it's ok. For the LCer trying to stay within a :::::: range? That's tricker. If you eat enough to cause a sudden :::::: water weight, then you have your answer. Unless it's really :::::: sweet, I doubt most people will do that. One can also use :::::: keto-sticks, I guess. ::::: ::::: Hi, Roger -- ::::: ::::: Here are my numbers for last summer, using Dannon Plain: ::::: ::::: 2 oz blueberries, 1/2 c. yogurt -- Pre 83 mg/dl, 1hr 132 mg/dl, ::::: 2hr 97 mg/dl ::::: ::::: This was back when my fastings were down around 75-80 mg/dl. ::::: ::::: So, for me, it passes the diabetic test. Though some wouldn't ::::: like that big jump from 83 to 132, it went right back down again. ::: ::: I consider that scary. Have you tried eating some fat with it? ::: There has been research that shows that damage does occur above 105 ::: or so. It's good that it goes back down quickly, but given the ::: loose way the medical establishment has dealt with diabetes in the ::: past, I'd rather err on the side of caution. Most of the time, ::: anyway. ::: :: I thought normal BG was between 70-130 - so 105 would be smack dab :: in the middle of normal - why would that cause damage? For a non-diabetic, BG ranges are much tigher than the range you list there. For example, a person who is non-diabetic won't see peaks up to even 130 within 2 hours of eating. So, the ranges have more to do with diagonsis and safey margins, and not just where is normal. As for why would a 105+ cause damage, well, that's what I've read on an journal paper linked off Jenny's page. I can't answer "why", other than that's what the study claimed, as I recall.
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#13
March 28th, 2007, 02:39 PM
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Kroger Carb Master Yogurt -- Fantastic
On Mar 27, 9:20 am, Jbuch wrote:
Are the claims about a low carb count of "aged" yogurt known to be true? In effect, the claim is that the carb count on the store bought container aren't correct because bacteria metabolize the carbs. If I understood the claim, that is. As I understand it, this is only true for active culture yogurt. If it's not full of live cultures, nobody's eating the sugar and making whatever they make out of it, so no halfing the carb count. Most yogurts people buy do not have active cultures. Most greek yogurts people have do (and it's lower in carbs anyway). That's about the extent of my knowledge on this, but I believe that a yogurt with active cultures will say so on the label. -Hollywood 265/213/217-1st, 205-next
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#14
March 29th, 2007, 12:58 PM
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Kroger Carb Master Yogurt -- Fantastic
I find Total Greek yoghurt from Fage suits my diet well. It is
strained, so thick and creamy, but lower carb than anything else i can find. It's live, and imo one of the best yoghurts regardless of it's carb count. They don't sell it as low carb. http://www.totalgreekyoghurt.com/
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#15
March 29th, 2007, 01:39 PM
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Kroger Carb Master Yogurt -- Fantastic
On Mar 29, 7:58 am, "Dr. Kebab"
wrote: I find Total Greek yoghurt from Fage suits my diet well. It is strained, so thick and creamy, but lower carb than anything else i can find. It's live, and imo one of the best yoghurts regardless of it's carb count. They don't sell it as low carb.http://www.totalgreekyoghurt.com/ So, I get this from time to time as well. The store across the street used to carry the 7oz package, which is, I guess the 200g one on the site you dropped. That's 6.4g per serving, maximum possible count. I stir a packet of Splenda into it, and it makes it a little more interesting, cause it's pretty sour to my palate. That's 7.4g/serving, maximum, without any active culture yogurt carb halving action. As always, depending on your acceptable levels of carbs, can fit very nicely in a program. With ~14G of protein, it made a nice post workout snack with a couple of HB eggs. Course, I'm on Protein Power, sothe protein is as important as the carbs.
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#16
March 29th, 2007, 05:19 PM
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Kroger Carb Master Yogurt -- Fantastic
Please post the research site of the study that says that 105 bg is harmful. On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:44:23 -0400, "Roger Zoul" wrote: The Operator wrote: :: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message :: ... ::: BlueBrooke wrote: ::::: On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:42:11 -0400, "Roger Zoul" ::::: wrote: ::::: :::::: Jbuch wrote: :::::::: UsenetID wrote: ::::::::: "Mel" wrote in message ::::::::: ups.com... ::::::::: :::::::::: I love yogurt, and most of the stores around here don't carry :::::::::: any low- carb yogurt except for the chalky stuff that comes :::::::::: in four tiny 1/2- cups in a pack, that is three or four :::::::::: carbs per 1/2-cup. :::::::::: :::::::::: I happened across Kroger's new "Carb Master" yogurt the other :::::::::: day here in the Atlanta area. It is goooood stuff. I like :::::::::: all the flavors except for vanilla which isn't bad, it just :::::::::: is boring. :::::::::: :::::::::: You get a full-sized carton of yogurt and it is only 3 carbs. :::::::::: :::::::::: I know this sounds like an ad, but I'm worried that Kroger :::::::::: will stop carrying it if it doesn't sell well enough. :::::::::: :::::::::: I've told the manager in every store I've been in that they :::::::::: should carry the stuff forever and ever. :::::::::: :::::::::: Go out and buy lots of the stuff so it will always be :::::::::: available to ME!! ::::::::: ::::::::: ::::::::: Their I used to eat their CarbMaster yogurt when I lived near ::::::::: a Kroger...but since I started making my own yogurt, no ::::::::: store-bought yogurt can even compare! Good thing too, since ::::::::: our nearest Kroger is over an hour away. I used to enjoy Blue ::::::::: Bunny's low carb yogurt also, in those days. Glad you found ::::::::: something you enjoy so much .::::::::: :::::::: :::::::: Are the claims about a low carb count of "aged" yogurt known :::::::: to be true? :::::::: :::::::: In effect, the claim is that the carb count on the store bought :::::::: container aren't correct because bacteria metabolize the carbs. :::::::: If I understood the claim, that is. :::::: :::::: According to Bob P, it would be true for properly prepared :::::: yogurt. But my question always remains: how can I know if the :::::: label does claim it? BG? If it passes that test for a :::::: diabetic, perhaps it's ok. For the LCer trying to stay within a :::::: range? That's tricker. If you eat enough to cause a sudden :::::: water weight, then you have your answer. Unless it's really :::::: sweet, I doubt most people will do that. One can also use :::::: keto-sticks, I guess. ::::: ::::: Hi, Roger -- ::::: ::::: Here are my numbers for last summer, using Dannon Plain: ::::: ::::: 2 oz blueberries, 1/2 c. yogurt -- Pre 83 mg/dl, 1hr 132 mg/dl, ::::: 2hr 97 mg/dl ::::: ::::: This was back when my fastings were down around 75-80 mg/dl. ::::: ::::: So, for me, it passes the diabetic test. Though some wouldn't ::::: like that big jump from 83 to 132, it went right back down again. ::: ::: I consider that scary. Have you tried eating some fat with it? ::: There has been research that shows that damage does occur above 105 ::: or so. It's good that it goes back down quickly, but given the ::: loose way the medical establishment has dealt with diabetes in the ::: past, I'd rather err on the side of caution. Most of the time, ::: anyway. ::: :: I thought normal BG was between 70-130 - so 105 would be smack dab :: in the middle of normal - why would that cause damage? For a non-diabetic, BG ranges are much tigher than the range you list there. For example, a person who is non-diabetic won't see peaks up to even 130 within 2 hours of eating. So, the ranges have more to do with diagonsis and safey margins, and not just where is normal. As for why would a 105+ cause damage, well, that's what I've read on an journal paper linked off Jenny's page. I can't answer "why", other than that's what the study claimed, as I recall.
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#17
March 29th, 2007, 05:37 PM
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Kroger Carb Master Yogurt -- Fantastic
BlueBrooke wrote:
:: On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:38:25 -0400, "Roger Zoul" :: wrote: :: ::: BlueBrooke wrote: :: ::: Well, since it meets your stated goals, I guess it's no biggie. ::: But I'd consider putting some chopped walnuts in there and perhaps ::: 1/2 of the about of berries. Walnuts are supposed to be a good ::: source of omega 3 fats and they would bring the fiber content up & ::: perhaps blunt the peak due to the fat. :: :: That's a good idea, Roger -- thanks. :: ::::: Some people are "low-spike", like Alan S. I just want to keep it ::::: within my goal ranges. If it's below 100 "most" of the time, ::::: with no meds, I'm happy. ::: ::: I would say the same thing, but I guess it's a matter of what one ::: considers most of the time. I'd say once a week compared to once a ::: day, whereas others would say once a month. Who knows. Our time ::: comes when it comes and very few of us will be truly able to say ::: that having done this one tiny thing different would have made the ::: difference. :: :: It takes more than the spike to cause damage. If I have three or :: four spikes a day, my BG is that high for two to three hours a day :: -- the rest of the time it would be near normal. This is much *much* :: preferred to almost two years ago, when it was generally over 200 and :: sometimes over 300 -- and I didn't know it. ;-) :: :: If I eat just protein most of the time, I have almost no change at :: all over a two hour period. But that's not realistic. My target :: numbers are "normie" numbers -- and most importantly I don't feel :: ill when I hit them. I feel quite unwell with the higher numbers :: (150-350 mg/dl) now -- though they felt pretty normal "way back :: when." :-) This is good news for you, I think. If you can have little impact from a high protein meal, then you'll likely get little impact if add fat to that as well. Combine that with very LC veggies & oils, and you're golden. That is realistics. As a diabetic, carbs have the biggest impact on BG. Protein can cause problems for some. Of course, as your goal is to lose weight, if you stick to it you're unlikely to be overeating protein. Hence, again, I think you're golden! :: :::::: It would be interesting to see with with just the yogurt. ::::: ::::: Yes -- that would be a good one to test. :: :: But I won't be doing it in the near future. Initially, my target was :: to control BG. Now, I know, if I just do what I know I need to do, :: my BG can be kept under control by severe carb restriction. My goal :: now is to lose weight. I don't know -- and don't think -- the yogurt :: would stall me, but I want to be further along before I add it. :: That's why the numbers I gave you were from last year -- and they :: were easier to find in my journal -- LOL! I agree. Make it an occasional reward treat! :: :::::: What is the claimed carb count for your meal? ::::: ::::: Total carbs would be 14g with 2g fiber for a 12g net (this ::::: includes one carb for the Splenda I forgot in the original post). ::: ::: Hmm....so a 12 g took you almost up to the limit, and that was last ::: summer. I wonder how much this could vary from day to day. My ::: guess is that more activity might lessen the peak and less might ::: let it go up more. Or, higher FBG might lead to higher peaks. :: :: Yes -- but there are some factors to consider -- :: :: For one thing, I still have a lot of weight to lose. I'm thinking I :: might have to "do meds" to increase my carbs from almost induction :: levels, but I want to lose the weight first and see how much of a :: difference that makes. I had it down pretty good before I quit :: smoking, so I want to get back there, and more, to see what change :: that makes. Personally, I'd skip the meds and keep my BG under control. If you're able to include some exercise and keep your carbs coming from nutritious LC veggies, then you'll likely be able to come above 20/day. I'm not sure how much I'd be interested in increasing carbs at the expense of BG control and going on meds. Your meter is your friend and it can guide you. Exercise works wonders in helping many get better control. And it helps you lose weight, look better, and stay off meds. :: :: Also, I noticed that if I keep very strict for a week or two, or :: longer, I can tolerate a few meals with higher carbs without things :: getting completely out of hand (not Burger King, but more carbs for a :: dinner, say). :: :: So I'm going to wait awhile before I freak out. I wouldn't want to :: have to keep my carb intake this low for the rest of my life. I :: think getting the weight off will help. We'll see. :-) I think it will. How low are you, exactly? :: ::: I'd like to know how some fat mixed in would affect matters. Maybe ::: I'll be my own guinea pig. :: :: Let me know what you find out -- :: :: You've got me curious to try it now -- LOL! :: If you think it will slow you down in any way, please don't bother. :: I'd have to do the berries and yogurt again, though, to get a :: "baseline" since those figures were from last year -- and things are :: different now. If I get it first, I'll let you know -- and you let :: me know if you've tried it, too. I keep berries in my fridge, but not yogurt. I'm too lazy to make it and I'm hard to believe the lables. Susan says Stoneyfarms (I think that's right - I know it when I see it) in a brand, but i can never find plain full fat yogurt on the shelf.
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March 29th, 2007, 06:46 PM
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deke wrote:
:: Please post the research site of the study that says that 105 bg is :: harmful. :: :: http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045678.php Scroll down a bit to the beta cells dying off part, and then click on the linked articles. :: :: :: :: On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:44:23 -0400, "Roger Zoul" :: wrote: :: ::: The Operator wrote: ::::: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message ::::: ... :::::: BlueBrooke wrote: :::::::: On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:42:11 -0400, "Roger Zoul" :::::::: wrote: :::::::: ::::::::: Jbuch wrote: ::::::::::: UsenetID wrote: :::::::::::: "Mel" wrote in message :::::::::::: ups.com... :::::::::::: ::::::::::::: I love yogurt, and most of the stores around here don't ::::::::::::: carry any low- carb yogurt except for the chalky stuff ::::::::::::: that comes in four tiny 1/2- cups in a pack, that is ::::::::::::: three or four carbs per 1/2-cup. ::::::::::::: ::::::::::::: I happened across Kroger's new "Carb Master" yogurt the ::::::::::::: other day here in the Atlanta area. It is goooood stuff. ::::::::::::: I like all the flavors except for vanilla which isn't ::::::::::::: bad, it just is boring. ::::::::::::: ::::::::::::: You get a full-sized carton of yogurt and it is only 3 ::::::::::::: carbs. ::::::::::::: ::::::::::::: I know this sounds like an ad, but I'm worried that Kroger ::::::::::::: will stop carrying it if it doesn't sell well enough. ::::::::::::: ::::::::::::: I've told the manager in every store I've been in that ::::::::::::: they should carry the stuff forever and ever. ::::::::::::: ::::::::::::: Go out and buy lots of the stuff so it will always be ::::::::::::: available to ME!! :::::::::::: :::::::::::: :::::::::::: Their I used to eat their CarbMaster yogurt when I lived :::::::::::: near a Kroger...but since I started making my own yogurt, :::::::::::: no store-bought yogurt can even compare! Good thing too, :::::::::::: since our nearest Kroger is over an hour away. I used to :::::::::::: enjoy Blue Bunny's low carb yogurt also, in those days. :::::::::::: Glad you found something you enjoy so much .:::::::::::: ::::::::::: ::::::::::: Are the claims about a low carb count of "aged" yogurt known ::::::::::: to be true? ::::::::::: ::::::::::: In effect, the claim is that the carb count on the store ::::::::::: bought container aren't correct because bacteria metabolize ::::::::::: the carbs. If I understood the claim, that is. ::::::::: ::::::::: According to Bob P, it would be true for properly prepared ::::::::: yogurt. But my question always remains: how can I know if the ::::::::: label does claim it? BG? If it passes that test for a ::::::::: diabetic, perhaps it's ok. For the LCer trying to stay ::::::::: within a range? That's tricker. If you eat enough to cause a ::::::::: sudden water weight, then you have your answer. Unless it's ::::::::: really sweet, I doubt most people will do that. One can also ::::::::: use keto-sticks, I guess. :::::::: :::::::: Hi, Roger -- :::::::: :::::::: Here are my numbers for last summer, using Dannon Plain: :::::::: :::::::: 2 oz blueberries, 1/2 c. yogurt -- Pre 83 mg/dl, 1hr 132 mg/dl, :::::::: 2hr 97 mg/dl :::::::: :::::::: This was back when my fastings were down around 75-80 mg/dl. :::::::: :::::::: So, for me, it passes the diabetic test. Though some wouldn't :::::::: like that big jump from 83 to 132, it went right back down :::::::: again. :::::: :::::: I consider that scary. Have you tried eating some fat with it? :::::: There has been research that shows that damage does occur above :::::: 105 or so. It's good that it goes back down quickly, but given :::::: the loose way the medical establishment has dealt with diabetes :::::: in the past, I'd rather err on the side of caution. Most of the :::::: time, anyway. :::::: ::::: I thought normal BG was between 70-130 - so 105 would be smack dab ::::: in the middle of normal - why would that cause damage? ::: ::: For a non-diabetic, BG ranges are much tigher than the range you ::: list there. For example, a person who is non-diabetic won't see ::: peaks up to even 130 within 2 hours of eating. So, the ranges have ::: more to do with diagonsis and safey margins, and not just where is ::: normal. ::: ::: As for why would a 105+ cause damage, well, that's what I've read ::: on an journal paper linked off Jenny's page. I can't answer "why", ::: other than that's what the study claimed, as I recall.
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April 13th, 2007, 06:40 PM
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On Mar 29, 11:37 am, "Roger Zoul" wrote:
I keep berries in my fridge, but not yogurt. I'm too lazy to make it and I'm hard to believe the lables. Susan says Stoneyfarms (I think that's right - I know it when I see it) in a brand, but i can never find plain full fat yogurt on the shelf. Stoneybrook farms yogurt is good, very creamy. I'm addicted to the stuff. I mix it with either berries or DaVinci's Kahlua flavored syrup. Dannon Plain is similar enough to be a decent replacement when I'm shopping somewhere that doesn't carry the Stoneybrook stuff. It's similar nutritionally, but not nearly as decadent. The trick is getting the full-fat stuff; most places carry the low-fat or fat-free stuff, but not always the full-fat stuff. Then you don't need to worry about adding fat to it. As for the bg stuff, I believe bg levels above 100 are abnormal and cause some minimal amount of damage. On the other hand, I can't keep mine below 120-140 or so even on a *no* carb diet, fasting, or on metformin. I presume it'd take insulin to get consistently below 140 and I'm not yet willing to commit to that for the rest of my life. So I personally consider 140 to be my goal and consider that "good enough". It sure as heck beats the 300-400 I'd be seeing eating pasta and bread. I've been diabetic for 18 years and can still achieve 140 easily at around 40-50g carb/day, which is do-able for me long-term. To me, a goal I can achieve reasonably is more important than the absolute lowest possible goal. I expect to have diabetes another 4 or 5 decades and have to manage it in a way that is livable for me, which is not at all the same as an ideal method.
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