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"Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message
... ## Reread her post, you missed a part. :-) You missed THIS PART: "The rest of the molecule then gets fed into the same system as carbohydrates and fat and is broken down into energy or taken into the fat stores." Please note that "fed into the same *system* as carbohydrates *and fat*" (emphasis mine) is NOT the same as "gets converted into carbohydrates". The body is very good at breaking pretty much everything down into ATP (adenosine triphosphate) (what the body uses for energy). It is not a carbohydrate. The amount of energy the body uses to do the converson from whatever to ATP varies depending on what the "whatever" is. My second year Biochemistry textbook has the details if you want to know more. -- Julie. 93.5/73.6/74 (WW)/72 (Personal) kg 205.7/161.9/162.8 (WW)/158 (Personal) lb Here's our FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ and welcome notice: http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html |
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"Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message
... "Fred" wrote in message ... Hey, eating nuts has been determined to be healthy, like everything else - in moderation. So, an occasional 5 point NUTRITIOUS snack of nuts is definitely fine. It is not wasting your points at all. ## You sure will miss those 5 Pts at dinnertime. Been there - done that. Instead of 8 Pts for dinner as usual, all I had were 3 Pts. Not much of a dinner. :-( But a 3 point dinner is easy. 100g of good quality steak (if it's good quality you don't need more than that), and a mass of zero point veggies. That's what I have most nights, and that gives my day space for a 2 point snack of almonds (much lower fat than pecans) during the day. It's about priorities and balance really. -- Julie. 93.5/73.6/74 (WW)/72 (Personal) kg 205.7/161.9/162.8 (WW)/158 (Personal) lb Here's our FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ and welcome notice: http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html |
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"JulieB" wrote in message ... "Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message ... Please note that "fed into the same *system* as carbohydrates *and fat*" (emphasis mine) is NOT the same as "gets converted into carbohydrates". ## What's the difference? You're nit picking. It acts exactly the SAME! If you didn't consume one carbo for a year you would not suffer from Carb deficiency. You're body would produce these same converted proteins and provide you with plenty of carbs. The body is very good at breaking pretty much everything down into ATP (adenosine triphosphate) (what the body uses for energy). It is not a carbohydrate. ## Neither is a carbo still a carbo when it's stored as FAT. The amount of energy the body uses to do the converson from whatever to ATP varies depending on what the "whatever" is. My second year Biochemistry textbook has the details if you want to know more. ## Explain from your biochemistry book why no humans suffer from "CARBO' deficiency," and where the carbs come from when there are NONE in the diet. -- Wysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 167 / 140 lb ========================================== |
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"Lynne" wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:06:46 -0600, "Wysong *~" P@P wrote: $$ There you! :-) That's why low-carbers have to control there intake if meat, cheese and eggs at some point. Atkins (which you proclaim to know so much about) is NOT a high protein diet. ## No one said it was a high protein diet unless the person CHOOSES to make it a high protein diet. Many people can't adjust to the high fat low-carb diets. So they eat low-carb/higher-protein diets. It's a high FAT diet more than a high protein diet. It is a high FAT, reasonable protein diet. ## For most people. Others favor a higher protein/lower fat intake on the diet - and if YOU knew so much you would know that all low-carb diets are NOT Atkins diets. Could be why you weren't successful with it. I think you need to have a chat with Lyle MacDonald. ## I was very successful with it the first 5 months and lost 46 lbs. Maybe at 217.4 you ought to try it for awhile. :-) -- Wysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 167 / 140 lb ========================================== |
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"JulieB" wrote in message ... "Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message ... "Fred" wrote in message ... Hey, eating nuts has been determined to be healthy, like everything else - in moderation. So, an occasional 5 point NUTRITIOUS snack of nuts is definitely fine. It is not wasting your points at all. ## You sure will miss those 5 Pts at dinnertime. Been there - done that. Instead of 8 Pts for dinner as usual, all I had were 3 Pts. Not much of a dinner. :-( =============================================== But a 3 point dinner is easy. 100g of good quality steak (if it's good quality you don't need more than that), ## 100G of steak is a few bites. A 1/2 cup (child size portion) is 3 Pts. and a mass of zero point veggies. ## OK,... here's the problem with zero Pt. veggies. As much as I love veggies and eat all kinds - they're not very filling and in less than an hour I'm getting hungry again. When I say hungry I'm not talking about the "munchies" but real stomach burbling hunger. A 1/2 cup of beef is a very small amount for a person 5' 6" tall and fairly active. Of course you'll claim you don't have that problem with low-carb veggies - right? Maybe you don't but I do. That's what I have most nights, and that gives my day space for a 2 point snack of almonds (much lower fat than pecans) during the day. It's about priorities and balance really. ## Whatever works for you. Dinner is the biggest meal here. I don't have a need to snack and seldom do. I eat 3 meals a day and spread my Pts among them. Even that's hard as I've only eaten two meals a day since I was a pre-teen. I have a piece of fruit at night because WW claims we need more than 3 meals a day.... and stay within my Pts. -- Wysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 167 / 140 lb ========================================== |
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"Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message ... $$ And yet no one is dying from being *poisoned* by all this exces protein as we all know. and $$ Why? Where are all the people on low-carb diets being rushed to the hospital from being *poisoned* by the meats they're eating? Where are all those who died from the toxins? Well here is one. I ended up 3 times in hospital with severe kidney failure and was forbidden animal protein, and excess other proteins because I nearly died of it. Anecdotical, but it happens. More than you know. Meanwhile, nearly lost 100 lbs on a healthy WW points diet. Nathalie |
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"Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message ... "JulieB" wrote in message ... "Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message ... "Fred" wrote in message ... Hey, eating nuts has been determined to be healthy, like everything else - in moderation. So, an occasional 5 point NUTRITIOUS snack of nuts is definitely fine. It is not wasting your points at all. ## You sure will miss those 5 Pts at dinnertime. Been there - done that. Instead of 8 Pts for dinner as usual, all I had were 3 Pts. Not much of a dinner. :-( =============================================== But a 3 point dinner is easy. 100g of good quality steak (if it's good quality you don't need more than that), ## 100G of steak is a few bites. A 1/2 cup (child size portion) is 3 Pts. A few bites? Its a quarter lb burger. Thats more than a few bites :-) |
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In message , Nathalie W
writes "Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message ... $$ And yet no one is dying from being *poisoned* by all this exces protein as we all know. and $$ Why? Where are all the people on low-carb diets being rushed to the hospital from being *poisoned* by the meats they're eating? Where are all those who died from the toxins? Well here is one. I ended up 3 times in hospital with severe kidney failure and was forbidden animal protein, and excess other proteins because I nearly died of it. Anecdotical, but it happens. More than you know. Meanwhile, nearly lost 100 lbs on a healthy WW points diet. Nathalie Actually, "poisoning" by too much animal protein is exactly what thousands of people in the Western world, possibly millions, ostensibly are. Most of us eat far too much, and far too little fruit and veg with it. (I've had kidney problems myself) By eating small amounts of meat and fish, moderate amounts of starchy foods and tons of fruit and veg I'm not only losing weight and losing inches whilst avoiding hunger pangs, I'm also boosting my immune system and potentially lengthening my life. Wysong, you can on on and on about how great a low-carb lifestyle is, but the fact is you're still overweight and you admit yourself that the weight-loss stalled after a few months. I think the saying "Physician, heal thyself" applies here. -- Anna (in UK) Maximum weight: 184 lbs Start Weight this time: 174 lbs Goal Weight: 146 lbs Current Weight: 165.5 lbs |
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It's NOT a problem as long as you keep track of the points. If you use 4 or 5 Pts for the nuts as a pre lunch snack, then you have to give up those Pts somewhere else during the day. Would you be willing to have a much lighter lunch? -- Wysong Hello. I tend to be very satisfied most of the time eating the way I do. Around 6 points for breakfast, lunch and supper each, and 10 to 15 more in snacks. I work out hard at least 6 hours a week, plus I work on my feet most the time. Read my stats before you try to tell me what works for me will ya? Lesanne 365/161.5/164 159 this morning after a nice pile of peanuts and raisins for my snack yesterday afternoon. |
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"Fred" wrote in message ... Water in reasonably large quantities has not killed anybody unless they attempted to breathe it in. I dunno - see www.dhmo.org :-D Cheers, helen s |
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