need snack suggestion

Dang, you think it's the Nuts doing it? Geeze Louise, guess I'll just have
to stay crazy.

But I cannot give up a good snort of water now and then, it cleans the
sinus'. Sinuses.? Sinewa? Well, you know.....

She does pop up every now and then with all that great advice and wisdom. I
saw here when I was still morbidly obese. And again while I was just plain
obese, then again while overweight..... Someone is doing well, but I cannot
figure out who to take advice from.......

--
Lesanne
"Fred" wrote in message
...
Well, eating those nuts explains why you are nuts.

I've stopped responding to her. There have been tempting
opportunities but I probably overdid it last week.

We do not convert proteins and fats to carbos. The body processes
those items differently and the byproducts may be more stressful to
the body. Kidney stones, gout, etc.

Nuts maybe fattening but that does not make them deadly, dangerous or
nutritionally deficient unless you have allergies.

Water in reasonably large quantities has not killed anybody unless
they attempted to breathe it in.

And the old program worked better than the new one that you don't
follow anyway.

And weak folks simply need to develop willpower and overnight they
will be slim and trim just like her.



On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:36:57 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:


It's NOT a problem as long as you keep track of the points. If you use
4
or
5 Pts for the nuts as a pre lunch snack, then you have to give up those
Pts
somewhere else during the day. Would you be willing to have a much
lighter
lunch?
--
Wysong

Hello. I tend to be very satisfied most of the time eating the way I do.
Around 6 points for breakfast, lunch and supper each, and 10 to 15 more in
snacks. I work out hard at least 6 hours a week, plus I work on my feet
most
the time.

Read my stats before you try to tell me what works for me will ya?

Lesanne
365/161.5/164

159 this morning after a nice pile of peanuts and raisins for my snack
yesterday afternoon.

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:57:44 -0600, "Wysong *~" P@P wrote:


"Willow" wrote in message
om...
To much of anything will get you sick... but how do you define too much
proteines ?

$$ If you eat excess proteins you're body converts them to carbohydrates and
stores them as fat.

same old song eh?

If carbohydrate gets stored as fat why are ALL competitive marathon
runners (who eat scads of carbs) skinny runts?

Ray

--
2002 1.8i eternal red

"Nathalie W" wrote in message
...

"Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message
...


$$ And yet no one is dying from being *poisoned* by all this exces
protein
as we all know.
and
$$ Why? Where are all the people on low-carb diets being rushed to the
hospital from being *poisoned* by the meats they're eating? Where are
all
those who died from the toxins?
=================
Well here is one. I ended up 3 times in hospital with severe kidney
failure
and was forbidden animal protein, and excess other proteins because I
nearly
died of it.

## But eating meats didn't CAUSE the underlying kidney problem. All it did
was *aggravate* it.

Anecdotical, but it happens. More than you know. Meanwhile, nearly lost
100
lbs on a healthy WW points diet.

## Then stick with it! ) Whatever works. I personally like WW better
than a low-carb diet but was willing to try anything to get the fat off.
Since they adjusted my thyroid medication WW seems to be working this time
for me as well. :-) Aside from WW I'm back walking almost every day - I'm
sure that's helping. I weighed myself this morning and was happy to see I
lost another lb. That's 5 lbs since 1/8.
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 166 / 140 lb
==========================================

"Anna H." wrote in message
...

Actually, "poisoning" by too much animal protein is exactly what
thousands of people in the Western world, possibly millions, ostensibly
are. Most of us eat far too much, and far too little fruit and veg with
it. (I've had kidney problems myself)

## If by poisoned you mean *OBESE* than yes, I agree with you. But keep in
mind all the societies that live and thrive on nothing but meat and GREENS.
They get everything they need from weaning to the grave on this and are
healthy, producing healthy children.

By eating small amounts of meat and fish, moderate amounts of starchy
foods and tons of fruit and veg I'm not only losing weight and losing
inches whilst avoiding hunger pangs, I'm also boosting my immune system
and potentially lengthening my life.

## Which is the SAME thing the devout low-carbers are claiming since
they're BP, cholesterol and triglicerides fall.... and yes I know there are
the rare cases where this doesn't happen as well. No one ever claimed WW
was an unhealthy diet.

Wysong, you can on on and on about how great a low-carb lifestyle is,

## Where did I claim it was a "great lifestyle?" I said it WORKS for almost
everyone who tried it. Don't you watch TV? They've had several shows on
this in the past 2 years. Even the NYTimes had a 3 page low-carb article
online last year. People on low-carb add carbs until they start to gain -
then stop there. I never heard of one of them who only ate meat and no
veggies at all!

but the fact is you're still overweight and you admit yourself that the
weight-loss stalled after a few months.

## And you keep forgetting that on WW I was losing less than a lb a month
at the time. How come you never mention that, and the fact I dumped 46 lbs
in 5 months on low-carb? And that' with the same thyroid problem!

I think the saying "Physician,
heal thyself" applies here.

## Yes, and as PROOF the low-carbs diets work I lost 46 lbs I would NOT
have lost had I stayed on WW at the time. Memory problems Anna?

--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 166 / 140 lb
==========================================

"ray miller" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:57:44 -0600, "Wysong *~" P@P wrote:


"Willow" wrote in message
om...
To much of anything will get you sick... but how do you define too much
proteines ?

$$ If you eat excess proteins you're body converts them to carbohydrates
and
stores them as fat.

same old song eh?

## Are you claiming if you over-ate meat you will TOX out and die? That
your body simply "flushes" it all out? If that were the case meat, like
celery and lettuce, would be unlimited. So don't sine me your same old song
that people DIE of carbo deficiency when they have enough meat in their
diets. Sing that SONG to the Eskimos. )

If carbohydrate gets stored as fat why are ALL competitive marathon
runners (who eat scads of carbs) skinny runts?

## Use your HEAD! We would ALL be skinny runts if we were out there
running with them - regardless of our diets. Also, I see plenty of average
weight runners and joggers where I live - even a few chubby ones. I never
knew one obese person who got out there and ran or jogged. Most didn't walk
further than their car or mailbox.

--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 166 / 140 lb
==========================================

I think you need to have a chat with
Lyle MacDonald.

Hehe

Ray

--
2002 1.8i eternal red

"Lesanne" wrote in message
...

It's NOT a problem as long as you keep track of the points. If you use
4
or
5 Pts for the nuts as a pre lunch snack, then you have to give up those
Pts
somewhere else during the day. Would you be willing to have a much
lighter
lunch?
--
Wysong
==================================
Hello. I tend to be very satisfied most of the time eating the way I do.
Around 6 points for breakfast, lunch and supper each, and 10 to 15 more in
snacks. I work out hard at least 6 hours a week, plus I work on my feet
most
the time.

## Whatever works for you! :-) If you're losing weight stay with it.

Read my stats before you try to tell me what works for me will ya?

## I didn't tell you what works better for you.

Lesanne
365/161.5/164

159 this morning after a nice pile of peanuts and raisins for my snack
yesterday afternoon.

## Of course! Pure lard would also work for a snack as long as you took
the points off somewhere else! )
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 166 / 140 lb
==========================================

"Fred" wrote in message
...

We do not convert proteins and fats to carbos.

$$ No one said FATS are turned into carbs. Proteins are turned into
carbs, these carbs are stored on your body as human FAT to be burned in
times of need. Reading comprehension problem?

The body processes
those items differently and the byproducts may be more stressful to
the body. Kidney stones, gout, etc.

$$ Only when no greens or other vegge matter are consumed, and that's only
a FEW people. I see you fail to tell us where the Laplanders and Eskimo's
get all there veggies, breads and grain.

Nuts maybe fattening but that does not make them deadly, dangerous or
nutritionally deficient unless you have allergies.

$$ And no one said nuts are deadly or dangerous. You must have me confused
with someone else.

Water in reasonably large quantities has not killed anybody unless
they attempted to breathe it in.

$$ And so far no one has died from the WW low-carb plan or any other
low-carb plan. :-)

And the old program worked better than the new one that you don't
follow anyway.

And weak folks simply need to develop willpower and overnight they
will be slim and trim just like her.

$$ Will power and self indulgence has a lot to do with weight gain/loss.
Watch the Dr. Phil show when he has his weight loss challenge on and what he
says about losing weight. Remember no diet plan is RELIGION. No one is
running into your church screaming there is no God. And even WW has a
low-carb plan.
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 166 / 140 lb
==========================================

"Helen C Simmons" wrote in message
...

"Fred" wrote in message
...


Water in reasonably large quantities has not killed anybody unless
they attempted to breathe it in.


I dunno - see

www.dhmo.org

:-D

Cheers, helen s
========================
It seems like the people on this NG who heard something, or read something
on a/at a WW meeting or website think it's the gospel TRUTH! There's
controversy over just about everything where food and diet are concerned.
As for myself, I get NAUSEOUS when I drink all the WW recommended water. It
was actually sickening. It also disrupted my sleep with so many trips to
the bathroom in the middle of the night. And I still lost less than a lb a
month.

At this time the older 2001 1-2-3 plan is working BUT I am at the low end of
my points and I am walking 1 to 2 miles a day. They also upped my thyroid
meds a little a few months ago. And YES, I go to bed hungry most nights
because a pear or cup of yogurt is not filling. However I'll stick to it
since I am losing about a lb a week.
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 166 / 140 lb
==========================================

"Laura" wrote in message
...
Yeah, you have to be careful whose advise we take in this group. Someone
who
is basically at the same weight she was at 2 years ago or those of us that
have lost 50 to 100 pounds since that time. Gee, gotta wonder.
======================
And after 2+ YEARS you're still overweight? Where are your stats? I see
you never post them.
Why aren't YOU at goal weight? Too many nuts? :-))) Forget to deduct
high fat snack Pts from other meals?
I love nuts, even raw peanuts, but will save then for when I reach my goal
weight.
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 166 / 140 lb
==========================================