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Dieting that is meaningful
Hi po: Yep, purines should be watched – and nobody talks about them. Not so prevalent in the mushrooms and oats as they are in animal organs consumed by us as food. They say plant purines act differently and are safer for consumption. Cooking breaks down the purines in vegetables, but probably not if they are just cooked at 115 degrees. Of course hot cooking takes the vitamins & minerals out vegetables too. I thought that crackling in my knees going down stairs was calcium build up, but I’ll bet you are right and its uric acid from spent purines. Do you know any cure for excess uric acid buildup? Other than cutting out one heck of a lot of foods? It would seem any acid could be dissolved. Come to think of it, I believe it was uric acid that gave my father gall stones and he held his nose and drank two glasses of lemon juice a day to dissolve them. Worked, whether it was caused by uric acid or not. How about using DSMO as a carrier for pure lemon juice thru the knee cartilage? Do you think that would work? I'm no expert on this stuff, but I'm enjoying the thread. We are forever students. Mal po wrote: Mushrooms and oats have a lot of purines. (nobody ever talks about purines). Too much purine and you can get gout, which causes joint destruction. (your kidneys are supposed to filter out the purines) Uric acid crystals form in the joint fluid and literally tear them up. Very painful. I was dismayed to find that whole grains in genral have a lot of purines and are not advised for gout sufferers. Meats are bad too, but it isn't just the rich foods that give you gout. Even spinach is a problem. |
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Your doctor can put you on allopurinol. He'll check your blood in follow ups
to let you know if you're in danger of getting gout or stones. Supposedly, with modern medications like allopurinol, you needn't worry about getting gout. It's the kind of thing you have to take for the rest of your life once you've had a gout episode. The attacks come out of nowhere. Feeling good doesn't mean a thing. One last thing, I think it's not advised to take allopurinol in the middle of a gout attack. There are other medications for that. Allopurinol is strictly for prevention. "Mal" wrote in message news:eMxsi.14688$Q85.1678@trndny02... Hi po: Yep, purines should be watched – and nobody talks about them. Not so prevalent in the mushrooms and oats as they are in animal organs consumed by us as food. They say plant purines act differently and are safer for consumption. Cooking breaks down the purines in vegetables, but probably not if they are just cooked at 115 degrees. Of course hot cooking takes the vitamins & minerals out vegetables too. I thought that crackling in my knees going down stairs was calcium build up, but I’ll bet you are right and its uric acid from spent purines. Do you know any cure for excess uric acid buildup? Other than cutting out one heck of a lot of foods? It would seem any acid could be dissolved. Come to think of it, I believe it was uric acid that gave my father gall stones and he held his nose and drank two glasses of lemon juice a day to dissolve them. Worked, whether it was caused by uric acid or not. How about using DSMO as a carrier for pure lemon juice thru the knee cartilage? Do you think that would work? I'm no expert on this stuff, but I'm enjoying the thread. We are forever students. Mal po wrote: Mushrooms and oats have a lot of purines. (nobody ever talks about purines). Too much purine and you can get gout, which causes joint destruction. (your kidneys are supposed to filter out the purines) Uric acid crystals form in the joint fluid and literally tear them up. Very painful. I was dismayed to find that whole grains in genral have a lot of purines and are not advised for gout sufferers. Meats are bad too, but it isn't just the rich foods that give you gout. Even spinach is a problem. |
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sycochkn wrote:
"Mal" wrote in message news:KDusi.8438$oW3.4869@trndny08... What about your blood sugar and lipids. Is it good to lose fat or muscle. Underweight and obese? Bob Bob: Yes, it would be good to break out the lipids (fats/triglycerides.) It really isn’t sufficient to just list total fats in a food, a ratio of good & bad would be a helpful addition to a diet spreadsheet. I do have a column for blood sugar and test for glucose once a day, but I don’t have a sugar problem. It is just interesting to see the readings fluctuate with the diet contents. Also, I go by the pharmacy once in a while and get a cholesterol & triglyceride check. They don’t charge much and you don’t need a prescription from the M.D. I know the triglycerides bind together the fatty acids, but I need to do some research to see how and if such data would be useful. Do you have knowledge of this? I think any diet will lose fat before muscle. Fat is the bod’s way to store readily accessible energy. Mal Excessive triglycerides can damage the pancreas, and can be a sign of poor liver function. What my doctor told me is that alcohol messes up triglycerides and HDL The way to raise HDL and lower Triglycerides is Niacin and exercise. Niacin should not be acquired through supplements it can cause kidney stones. Bob Hi Bob: Yes, I recall niacin supplement getting a bad rap. I get a lot of it with Vegemite - a British product like beef paste used as a spread. The bottle isn't labled with the info we rely on, but an Australian web page gives it a very high niacin content. If you read Po's comments about purines on this thread we have come full circle - if its high on niacinimide its no doubt also high on purines. Po says excess purines can damage the kidneys. They are, however required in the bod as an antioxidant and for a couple of other reasons. I'm guessing it is probably wise to stay away from anything where those amazing chemical factories (kidneys/pancreas) are concerned. They know what they are doing - we just have to protect them from massive fat build up around them and let them do their work. Reducing sugar intake and cholesterol should (I hope)reduce triglycerides and help with HDL. Mal |
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The cracking in your knees isn't uric acid or gout. You'd feel intense pain
if it was gout. There'd be redness and swelling. The purines become uric acid if your kidneys can't filter them out. That floats in your blood. When there's too much or it gets too cold, it crystallizes. It's becomes a hard, needle shaped mineral and it chews up your joints by (i think) expanding and you moving the joint. It's like sand in the motor oil. "Mal" wrote in message news:eMxsi.14688$Q85.1678@trndny02... Hi po: Yep, purines should be watched – and nobody talks about them. Not so prevalent in the mushrooms and oats as they are in animal organs consumed by us as food. They say plant purines act differently and are safer for consumption. Cooking breaks down the purines in vegetables, but probably not if they are just cooked at 115 degrees. Of course hot cooking takes the vitamins & minerals out vegetables too. I thought that crackling in my knees going down stairs was calcium build up, but I’ll bet you are right and its uric acid from spent purines. Do you know any cure for excess uric acid buildup? Other than cutting out one heck of a lot of foods? It would seem any acid could be dissolved. Come to think of it, I believe it was uric acid that gave my father gall stones and he held his nose and drank two glasses of lemon juice a day to dissolve them. Worked, whether it was caused by uric acid or not. How about using DSMO as a carrier for pure lemon juice thru the knee cartilage? Do you think that would work? I'm no expert on this stuff, but I'm enjoying the thread. We are forever students. Mal po wrote: Mushrooms and oats have a lot of purines. (nobody ever talks about purines). Too much purine and you can get gout, which causes joint destruction. (your kidneys are supposed to filter out the purines) Uric acid crystals form in the joint fluid and literally tear them up. Very painful. I was dismayed to find that whole grains in genral have a lot of purines and are not advised for gout sufferers. Meats are bad too, but it isn't just the rich foods that give you gout. Even spinach is a problem. |
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"Mal" wrote in message news:eoIsi.15$I64.0@trndny08... sycochkn wrote: "Mal" wrote in message news:KDusi.8438$oW3.4869@trndny08... What about your blood sugar and lipids. Is it good to lose fat or muscle. Underweight and obese? Bob Bob: Yes, it would be good to break out the lipids (fats/triglycerides.) It really isn’t sufficient to just list total fats in a food, a ratio of good & bad would be a helpful addition to a diet spreadsheet. I do have a column for blood sugar and test for glucose once a day, but I don’t have a sugar problem. It is just interesting to see the readings fluctuate with the diet contents. Also, I go by the pharmacy once in a while and get a cholesterol & triglyceride check. They don’t charge much and you don’t need a prescription from the M.D. I know the triglycerides bind together the fatty acids, but I need to do some research to see how and if such data would be useful. Do you have knowledge of this? I think any diet will lose fat before muscle. Fat is the bod’s way to store readily accessible energy. Mal Excessive triglycerides can damage the pancreas, and can be a sign of poor liver function. What my doctor told me is that alcohol messes up triglycerides and HDL The way to raise HDL and lower Triglycerides is Niacin and exercise. Niacin should not be acquired through supplements it can cause kidney stones. Bob Hi Bob: Yes, I recall niacin supplement getting a bad rap. I get a lot of it with Vegemite - a British product like beef paste used as a spread. The bottle isn't labled with the info we rely on, but an Australian web page gives it a very high niacin content. If you read Po's comments about purines on this thread we have come full circle - if its high on niacinimide its no doubt also high on purines. Po says excess purines can damage the kidneys. They are, however required in the bod as an antioxidant and for a couple of other reasons. I'm guessing it is probably wise to stay away from anything where those amazing chemical factories (kidneys/pancreas) are concerned. They know what they are doing - we just have to protect them from massive fat build up around them and let them do their work. Reducing sugar intake and cholesterol should (I hope)reduce triglycerides and help with HDL. Mal Triglycerides are made from sugar and alcohol I think they are meant to be consumed by use of the muscles, exercise. Niacin from supplements can have a lot of side efects all the vitamins and minerals should probably be gotten from food insead of a pill. Bob |
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