Dieting that is meaningful

Hi po:

Yep, purines should be watched – and nobody talks about them. Not so
prevalent in the mushrooms and oats as they are in animal organs
consumed by us as food. They say plant purines act differently and are
safer for consumption. Cooking breaks down the purines in vegetables,
but probably not if they are just cooked at 115 degrees. Of course hot
cooking takes the vitamins & minerals out vegetables too.

I thought that crackling in my knees going down stairs was calcium build
up, but I’ll bet you are right and its uric acid from spent purines.

Do you know any cure for excess uric acid buildup? Other than cutting
out one heck of a lot of foods? It would seem any acid could be
dissolved. Come to think of it, I believe it was uric acid that gave my
father gall stones and he held his nose and drank two glasses of lemon
juice a day to dissolve them. Worked, whether it was caused by uric acid
or not.

How about using DSMO as a carrier for pure lemon juice thru the knee
cartilage? Do you think that would work?

I'm no expert on this stuff, but I'm enjoying the thread. We are forever
students.

Mal


po wrote:
Mushrooms and oats have a lot of purines. (nobody ever talks about purines).
Too much purine and you can get gout, which causes joint destruction. (your
kidneys are supposed to filter out the purines) Uric acid crystals form in
the joint fluid and literally tear them up. Very painful. I was dismayed to
find that whole grains in genral have a lot of purines and are not advised
for gout sufferers. Meats are bad too, but it isn't just the rich foods that
give you gout. Even spinach is a problem.

Your doctor can put you on allopurinol. He'll check your blood in follow ups
to let you know if you're in danger of getting gout or stones. Supposedly,
with modern medications like allopurinol, you needn't worry about getting
gout. It's the kind of thing you have to take for the rest of your life once
you've had a gout episode. The attacks come out of nowhere. Feeling good
doesn't mean a thing.

One last thing, I think it's not advised to take allopurinol in the middle
of a gout attack. There are other medications for that. Allopurinol is
strictly for prevention.

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Hi po:

Yep, purines should be watched – and nobody talks about them. Not so
prevalent in the mushrooms and oats as they are in animal organs consumed
by us as food. They say plant purines act differently and are safer for
consumption. Cooking breaks down the purines in vegetables, but probably
not if they are just cooked at 115 degrees. Of course hot cooking takes
the vitamins & minerals out vegetables too.

I thought that crackling in my knees going down stairs was calcium build
up, but I’ll bet you are right and its uric acid from spent purines.

Do you know any cure for excess uric acid buildup? Other than cutting out
one heck of a lot of foods? It would seem any acid could be dissolved.
Come to think of it, I believe it was uric acid that gave my father gall
stones and he held his nose and drank two glasses of lemon juice a day to
dissolve them. Worked, whether it was caused by uric acid or not.

How about using DSMO as a carrier for pure lemon juice thru the knee
cartilage? Do you think that would work?

I'm no expert on this stuff, but I'm enjoying the thread. We are forever
students.

Mal


po wrote:
Mushrooms and oats have a lot of purines. (nobody ever talks about
purines). Too much purine and you can get gout, which causes joint
destruction. (your kidneys are supposed to filter out the purines) Uric
acid crystals form in the joint fluid and literally tear them up. Very
painful. I was dismayed to find that whole grains in genral have a lot of
purines and are not advised for gout sufferers. Meats are bad too, but it
isn't just the rich foods that give you gout. Even spinach is a problem.

sycochkn wrote:
"Mal" wrote in message
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What about your blood sugar and lipids. Is it good to lose fat or muscle.
Underweight and obese?

Bob
Bob:

Yes, it would be good to break out the lipids (fats/triglycerides.) It
really isn’t sufficient to just list total fats in a food, a ratio of good
& bad would be a helpful addition to a diet spreadsheet. I do have a
column for blood sugar and test for glucose once a day, but I don’t have a
sugar problem. It is just interesting to see the readings fluctuate with
the diet contents.

Also, I go by the pharmacy once in a while and get a cholesterol &
triglyceride check. They don’t charge much and you don’t need a
prescription from the M.D.

I know the triglycerides bind together the fatty acids, but I need to do
some research to see how and if such data would be useful. Do you have
knowledge of this?

I think any diet will lose fat before muscle. Fat is the bod’s way to
store readily accessible energy.

Mal


Excessive triglycerides can damage the pancreas, and can be a sign of poor
liver function. What my doctor told me is that alcohol messes up
triglycerides and HDL The way to raise HDL and lower Triglycerides is Niacin
and exercise. Niacin should not be acquired through supplements it can cause
kidney stones.

Bob



Hi Bob:
Yes, I recall niacin supplement getting a bad rap. I get a lot of it
with Vegemite - a British product like beef paste used as a spread. The
bottle isn't labled with the info we rely on, but an Australian web page
gives it a very high niacin content.

If you read Po's comments about purines on this thread we have come full
circle - if its high on niacinimide its no doubt also high on purines.
Po says excess purines can damage the kidneys. They are, however
required in the bod as an antioxidant and for a couple of other reasons.

I'm guessing it is probably wise to stay away from anything where those
amazing chemical factories (kidneys/pancreas) are concerned. They know
what they are doing - we just have to protect them from massive fat
build up around them and let them do their work. Reducing sugar intake
and cholesterol should (I hope)reduce triglycerides and help with HDL.
Mal

The cracking in your knees isn't uric acid or gout. You'd feel intense pain
if it was gout. There'd be redness and swelling. The purines become uric
acid if your kidneys can't filter them out. That floats in your blood. When
there's too much or it gets too cold, it crystallizes. It's becomes a hard,
needle shaped mineral and it chews up your joints by (i think) expanding and
you moving the joint. It's like sand in the motor oil.


"Mal" wrote in message
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Hi po:

Yep, purines should be watched – and nobody talks about them. Not so
prevalent in the mushrooms and oats as they are in animal organs consumed
by us as food. They say plant purines act differently and are safer for
consumption. Cooking breaks down the purines in vegetables, but probably
not if they are just cooked at 115 degrees. Of course hot cooking takes
the vitamins & minerals out vegetables too.

I thought that crackling in my knees going down stairs was calcium build
up, but I’ll bet you are right and its uric acid from spent purines.

Do you know any cure for excess uric acid buildup? Other than cutting out
one heck of a lot of foods? It would seem any acid could be dissolved.
Come to think of it, I believe it was uric acid that gave my father gall
stones and he held his nose and drank two glasses of lemon juice a day to
dissolve them. Worked, whether it was caused by uric acid or not.

How about using DSMO as a carrier for pure lemon juice thru the knee
cartilage? Do you think that would work?

I'm no expert on this stuff, but I'm enjoying the thread. We are forever
students.

Mal


po wrote:
Mushrooms and oats have a lot of purines. (nobody ever talks about
purines). Too much purine and you can get gout, which causes joint
destruction. (your kidneys are supposed to filter out the purines) Uric
acid crystals form in the joint fluid and literally tear them up. Very
painful. I was dismayed to find that whole grains in genral have a lot of
purines and are not advised for gout sufferers. Meats are bad too, but it
isn't just the rich foods that give you gout. Even spinach is a problem.

"Mal" wrote in message
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sycochkn wrote:
"Mal" wrote in message
news:KDusi.8438$oW3.4869@trndny08...
What about your blood sugar and lipids. Is it good to lose fat or
muscle. Underweight and obese?

Bob
Bob:

Yes, it would be good to break out the lipids (fats/triglycerides.) It
really isn’t sufficient to just list total fats in a food, a ratio of
good & bad would be a helpful addition to a diet spreadsheet. I do have
a column for blood sugar and test for glucose once a day, but I don’t
have a sugar problem. It is just interesting to see the readings
fluctuate with the diet contents.

Also, I go by the pharmacy once in a while and get a cholesterol &
triglyceride check. They don’t charge much and you don’t need a
prescription from the M.D.

I know the triglycerides bind together the fatty acids, but I need to do
some research to see how and if such data would be useful. Do you have
knowledge of this?

I think any diet will lose fat before muscle. Fat is the bod’s way to
store readily accessible energy.

Mal


Excessive triglycerides can damage the pancreas, and can be a sign of
poor liver function. What my doctor told me is that alcohol messes up
triglycerides and HDL The way to raise HDL and lower Triglycerides is
Niacin and exercise. Niacin should not be acquired through supplements it
can cause kidney stones.

Bob

Hi Bob:
Yes, I recall niacin supplement getting a bad rap. I get a lot of it with
Vegemite - a British product like beef paste used as a spread. The bottle
isn't labled with the info we rely on, but an Australian web page gives it
a very high niacin content.

If you read Po's comments about purines on this thread we have come full
circle - if its high on niacinimide its no doubt also high on purines. Po
says excess purines can damage the kidneys. They are, however required in
the bod as an antioxidant and for a couple of other reasons.

I'm guessing it is probably wise to stay away from anything where those
amazing chemical factories (kidneys/pancreas) are concerned. They know
what they are doing - we just have to protect them from massive fat build
up around them and let them do their work. Reducing sugar intake and
cholesterol should (I hope)reduce triglycerides and help with HDL.
Mal

Triglycerides are made from sugar and alcohol I think they are meant to be
consumed by use of the muscles, exercise.
Niacin from supplements can have a lot of side efects all the vitamins and
minerals should probably be gotten from food insead of a pill.

Bob