Diet/Exercise Equally Useful for Weight Loss

convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
neighbor Jack ) wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
neighbor Jack ) wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

http://TruthRUS.org/Guarantee

The information has been freely given to the public attending
Foundation sponsored health fairs:

http://TheHealthFair.com

A DVD recording of the presentation of this information has been
freely given to those who have donated charitably to the Wellness
Foundation:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com

So why not give the information freely here?

Already have:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...b7b29f9950011?
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There is no book for the 2PD-OMER Approach:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

The solution is freely downloadable off the Internet:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

"In 1997, my wife and I watched an IMAX film about climbing
Mt. Everest and learned that despite their exhausting regimen,
the climbers consumed only 10 lbs of food per week. That's less
than 2 lbs of food per day! Since none of the climbers died from
starvation, my initial thought was that 2 lbs of food per day
should be more than adequate for us non-climbing folks."

Of course, climbers of Mount Everest a

-- incredibly fit athletes, who:

-- ate so little, not because it was all they
would wish, but because:

-- like climbers everywhere, they begrudge
e v e r y s i n g l e g r a m that
they have to carry six miles up through
cold, impossible terrain, and scant
oxygen, so they:

-- choose the most concentrated possible
foodstuffs available, meaning that two
pounds of mountaineer's food is quite
different from two pounds from your
local produce section or meat counter,
and finally that:

-- these dietary restrictions, imposed
by necessity, were in effect for at
most weeks at a time.

Restriction on amount is not a dietary restriction. The story of the
Everest climbers simply served as an inspiration for restricting the
amount

All right, that's fair enough.

Simply the truth.

and for empirically determining that optimal amount for
everyone to eat to lose the visceral adipose tissue (VAT).

Given that the climbers' environment, physical status,
activities, limited period of restriction, and type of foodstuffs were
utterly different from the average person's, in what way could their
experiences be used for "empirically determining" anything applicable
to everyday life?

Their experience served to inspire what was subsequently empirically
determined with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com

"Cary Kittrell" wrote in message
...
In article .com "Andrew
B. Chung, MD/PhD" writes:
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
neighbor Jack ) wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
neighbor Jack ) wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

http://TruthRUS.org/Guarantee

The information has been freely given to the public attending
Foundation sponsored health fairs:

http://TheHealthFair.com

A DVD recording of the presentation of this information has
been
freely given to those who have donated charitably to the
Wellness
Foundation:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com

So why not give the information freely here?

Already have:


http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...b7b29f9950011?
QUOTE

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There is no book for the 2PD-OMER Approach:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

The solution is freely downloadable off the Internet:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

"In 1997, my wife and I watched an IMAX film about climbing
Mt. Everest and learned that despite their exhausting regimen,
the climbers consumed only 10 lbs of food per week. That's less
than 2 lbs of food per day! Since none of the climbers died from
starvation, my initial thought was that 2 lbs of food per day
should be more than adequate for us non-climbing folks."

Of course, climbers of Mount Everest a

-- incredibly fit athletes, who:

-- ate so little, not because it was all they
would wish, but because:

-- like climbers everywhere, they begrudge
e v e r y s i n g l e g r a m that
they have to carry six miles up through
cold, impossible terrain, and scant
oxygen, so they:

-- choose the most concentrated possible
foodstuffs available, meaning that two
pounds of mountaineer's food is quite
different from two pounds from your
local produce section or meat counter,
and finally that:

-- these dietary restrictions, imposed
by necessity, were in effect for at
most weeks at a time.

Restriction on amount is not a dietary restriction. The story of the
Everest climbers simply served as an inspiration for restricting the
amount

All right, that's fair enough.

and for empirically determining that optimal amount for
everyone to eat to lose the visceral adipose tissue (VAT).

Given that the climbers' environment, physical status,
activities, limited period of restriction, and type of foodstuffs were
utterly different from the average person's, in what way could their
experiences be used for "empirically determining" anything applicable
to everyday life?

FWIW, you are attempting rational discourse with an irrational person.

Chung's 2 Pound Diet derives from the voices he hears in his head...search
back in the Google archives and you can find many examples of his delusional
thinking. Last year, he posted hundreds of warnings about a "global
earthquake" and a "nuclear exchange" linked to a solar eclipse that were to
presage the violent destruction of most of humankind and the second coming
of Christ.

He also claims to be a "messenger of God", and seems to believe the he will
play some important role in the end of the world.

He also maintains a list on his website of the people who have disagreed
with him...he claims to have inside knowledge that these people (I'm one of
them) have been "convicted" by the Holy Spirit.

Bottom line...he's a whacko.

GG


-- cary


Not that I am denigrating the benefits for some of
us, possibly most of us, in lowering our caloric intakes.
I just point out that you're comparing apples and raccoons.

What serves as an inspiration would not be subsequently used for
comparison purposes.

Truth is simple.

The credit for the 2PD-OMER Approach belongs to GOD, Who is the Source
of all inspiration. knowledge, and wisdom.

Laus Deo !

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com

-- cary

On 1 Feb 2007 13:24:16 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
wrote:


Restriction on amount is not a dietary restriction.

That would have to be a keeper, Andrew.
If it's not, wtf is it?


jack

On 1 Feb 2007 13:23:24 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
wrote:


The manuscript is on my desk.

Don't tell me, it's your trusty old Bible.


jack

In article .com "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" writes:
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor GaryG wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor GaryG wrote:

Take home message: "Eating less and exercising more are equally good at
helping take off the pounds".

Yes, the first law of thermodynamics has been confirmed.

From a practical standpoint, the free 2PD-OMER Approach works because
it remains in keeping with the first law of thermodynamics.

As do traditional "eat less and/or exercise more" techniques...as proven by
this controlled, peer-reviewed study (something your 2 pound diet lacks).

BTW - if, as you claim, your 2 Pound Eating Disorder diet is "100%
successful", and has a $1 million guarantee, why do you suppose it's
received so little mention in the scientific literature?

The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet. It has been studied in more than
625,550 people worldwide:

Which sould make it the largest single medical study in
history. Fascinating. Where may we read the details
of this study?

The manuscript is on my desk.

Excellent! So, how about a few advance questions?

Sorry. You will simply have to wait.

Oh, I increasingly suspect that `looking for sanity's post answered
more than I wanted to know.


Please forgive all my iniquities.

-- was double-blinding employed?

-- were objective measurements, as opposed to self-administered
questionaires, used as the primary source of data?

-- how were these 600,000+ people recruited for this study?

-- what measures were taken to avoid "cheating", intentional
or unintentional, on the part of the subjects?

-- will you be submitting this to a peer-reviewd journal?

As for when you can read the published manuscript, that would be
according to the will of GOD.

You know, the usual: experimental
protocols, blinding procedures, control groups, description
of all statstical analyses, exact wording of any questionaires,
peer reviews, ethical oversight, publishing history?

See above.

http://HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp

Um, nope; no additinal information there...

Simply a press release describing when the results of the study were
first publicly announced.

Moreover, they have not received permission to use it in their
studies.

No one needs your permission to run any scientific study
they might wish of 2PD-OMER. I do not need Pfizer's permission
to conduct a study of Viagra, I do not the Maharishi's permssion
to investigate the medical effects of Transcendental Meditation,
I do not need Arthur Agaston's permission to run a study
on the South Beach Diet. And no scientist needs your permission
to investigate 2PD-OMER.

It remains wise to get permission before using copyrighted material.

Having a group of people limit their food intake to two pounds
a day has nothing whatsoever to do with copyright law.

Using the 2PD-OMER Approach in the manner as described as published on
the HeartMDPhD.com web site however does.


Why, is it a pyramid scheme, wherein the suckers have to pass
on your written words to ten of their friends?

Because if it does not involve repeating your words, at length and
without your permission, then there is no violation of copyright
law.


Truth is simple.


-- cary

convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor GaryG wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor GaryG wrote:

Take home message: "Eating less and exercising more are equally good at
helping take off the pounds".

Yes, the first law of thermodynamics has been confirmed.

From a practical standpoint, the free 2PD-OMER Approach works because
it remains in keeping with the first law of thermodynamics.

As do traditional "eat less and/or exercise more" techniques...as proven by
this controlled, peer-reviewed study (something your 2 pound diet lacks).

BTW - if, as you claim, your 2 Pound Eating Disorder diet is "100%
successful", and has a $1 million guarantee, why do you suppose it's
received so little mention in the scientific literature?

The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet. It has been studied in more than
625,550 people worldwide:

Which sould make it the largest single medical study in
history. Fascinating. Where may we read the details
of this study?

The manuscript is on my desk.

Excellent! So, how about a few advance questions?

Sorry. You will simply have to wait.

Oh, I increasingly suspect that `looking for sanity's post answered
more than I wanted to know.

And yet you are still participating in this thread.

Please forgive all my iniquities.

-- was double-blinding employed?

-- were objective measurements, as opposed to self-administered
questionaires, used as the primary source of data?

-- how were these 600,000+ people recruited for this study?

-- what measures were taken to avoid "cheating", intentional
or unintentional, on the part of the subjects?

-- will you be submitting this to a peer-reviewd journal?

As for when you can read the published manuscript, that would be
according to the will of GOD.

You know, the usual: experimental
protocols, blinding procedures, control groups, description
of all statstical analyses, exact wording of any questionaires,
peer reviews, ethical oversight, publishing history?

See above.

http://HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp

Um, nope; no additinal information there...

Simply a press release describing when the results of the study were
first publicly announced.

Moreover, they have not received permission to use it in their
studies.

No one needs your permission to run any scientific study
they might wish of 2PD-OMER. I do not need Pfizer's permission
to conduct a study of Viagra, I do not the Maharishi's permssion
to investigate the medical effects of Transcendental Meditation,
I do not need Arthur Agaston's permission to run a study
on the South Beach Diet. And no scientist needs your permission
to investigate 2PD-OMER.

It remains wise to get permission before using copyrighted material.

Having a group of people limit their food intake to two pounds
a day has nothing whatsoever to do with copyright law.

Using the 2PD-OMER Approach in the manner as described as published on
the HeartMDPhD.com web site however does.

Why, is it a pyramid scheme, wherein the suckers have to pass
on your written words to ten of their friends?

No.

Because if it does not involve repeating your words, at length and
without your permission, then there is no violation of copyright
law.

Would suggest you read the instructions in the PDF file for the 2PD-
OMER Approach.

Truth is simple.

Indeed.

Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com

"Cary Kittrell" wrote in message
...
In article .com "Andrew
B. Chung, MD/PhD" writes:
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor GaryG wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor GaryG wrote:

Take home message: "Eating less and exercising more are
equally good at
helping take off the pounds".

Yes, the first law of thermodynamics has been confirmed.

From a practical standpoint, the free 2PD-OMER Approach
works because
it remains in keeping with the first law of thermodynamics.

As do traditional "eat less and/or exercise more"
techniques...as proven by
this controlled, peer-reviewed study (something your 2 pound
diet lacks).

BTW - if, as you claim, your 2 Pound Eating Disorder diet is
"100%
successful", and has a $1 million guarantee, why do you
suppose it's
received so little mention in the scientific literature?

The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet. It has been studied in
more than
625,550 people worldwide:

Which sould make it the largest single medical study in
history. Fascinating. Where may we read the details
of this study?

The manuscript is on my desk.

Excellent! So, how about a few advance questions?

Sorry. You will simply have to wait.

Oh, I increasingly suspect that `looking for sanity's post answered
more than I wanted to know.


Please forgive all my iniquities.

-- was double-blinding employed?

-- were objective measurements, as opposed to self-administered
questionaires, used as the primary source of data?

-- how were these 600,000+ people recruited for this study?

-- what measures were taken to avoid "cheating", intentional
or unintentional, on the part of the subjects?

-- will you be submitting this to a peer-reviewd journal?

As for when you can read the published manuscript, that would be
according to the will of GOD.

You know, the usual: experimental
protocols, blinding procedures, control groups, description
of all statstical analyses, exact wording of any questionaires,
peer reviews, ethical oversight, publishing history?

See above.

http://HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp

Um, nope; no additinal information there...

Simply a press release describing when the results of the study were
first publicly announced.

Moreover, they have not received permission to use it in their
studies.

No one needs your permission to run any scientific study
they might wish of 2PD-OMER. I do not need Pfizer's permission
to conduct a study of Viagra, I do not the Maharishi's permssion
to investigate the medical effects of Transcendental Meditation,
I do not need Arthur Agaston's permission to run a study
on the South Beach Diet. And no scientist needs your permission
to investigate 2PD-OMER.

It remains wise to get permission before using copyrighted material.

Having a group of people limit their food intake to two pounds
a day has nothing whatsoever to do with copyright law.

Using the 2PD-OMER Approach in the manner as described as published on
the HeartMDPhD.com web site however does.


Why, is it a pyramid scheme, wherein the suckers have to pass
on your written words to ten of their friends?

Because if it does not involve repeating your words, at length and
without your permission, then there is no violation of copyright
law.


Truth is simple.


-- cary

Congratulations, Cary...Andy now imagines that you're one of the
"convicted". Of course, with his delusions it doesn't take much for him to
put you in that category. Last year, he was imagining that he could see the
"mark of Satan" on lots of folks' foreheads.

GG

Mu wrote:

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:57:01 -0800, GaryG wrote:


Yes, the first law of thermodynamics has been confirmed.

From a practical standpoint, the free 2PD-OMER Approach works because
it remains in keeping with the first law of thermodynamics.

As do traditional "eat less and/or exercise more" techniques...as proven by
this controlled, peer-reviewed study (something your 2 pound diet lacks).

BTW - if, as you claim, your 2 Pound Eating Disorder diet is "100%
successful", and has a $1 million guarantee, why do you suppose it's
received so little mention in the scientific literature?

Well now, GG, here's your Golden Chance to be the one who makes the
million, drawing attention and praise and chicks and endorsements galore
for breaking the 2PD Davinci Code or...

to take it tho the science reviews yourself, it is a win-win for you.

Somehow I think, God Himself only knows why, you're going to do neither.
Disprove the 2PD or embrace it and have it "proven" by scientific
means".

I'll wait for you to decide. Don't count on me holding Mu breath.

You never answered my question:

Do you believe the Chung diet is a cure for diabetes as he claims?

--
"To err is human, to cover it up is Weasel" -- Dogbert

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor GaryG wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor GaryG wrote:

Take home message: "Eating less and exercising more are equally
good at
helping take off the pounds".

Yes, the first law of thermodynamics has been confirmed.

From a practical standpoint, the free 2PD-OMER Approach works
because
it remains in keeping with the first law of thermodynamics.

As do traditional "eat less and/or exercise more" techniques...as
proven by
this controlled, peer-reviewed study (something your 2 pound diet
lacks).

BTW - if, as you claim, your 2 Pound Eating Disorder diet is "100%
successful", and has a $1 million guarantee, why do you suppose it's
received so little mention in the scientific literature?

The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet. It has been studied in more than
625,550 people worldwide:

Which sould make it the largest single medical study in
history. Fascinating. Where may we read the details
of this study?

The manuscript is on my desk.

Excellent! So, how about a few advance questions?

Sorry. You will simply have to wait.

Until Chung find more marks.

Please forgive all my iniquities.

Standard ChungScript line 3, covering his cowardice in evading the
questions below.

-- was double-blinding employed?

Note: no response.

-- were objective measurements, as opposed to self-administered
questionaires, used as the primary source of data?

Note: no response.

-- how were these 600,000+ people recruited for this study?

Note: no response.

-- what measures were taken to avoid "cheating", intentional
or unintentional, on the part of the subjects?

Note: no response.

-- will you be submitting this to a peer-reviewd journal?

Note: no response.

[...]

Moreover, they have not received permission to use it in their
studies.

No one needs your permission to run any scientific study
they might wish of 2PD-OMER. I do not need Pfizer's permission
to conduct a study of Viagra, I do not the Maharishi's permssion
to investigate the medical effects of Transcendental Meditation,
I do not need Arthur Agaston's permission to run a study
on the South Beach Diet. And no scientist needs your permission
to investigate 2PD-OMER.

It remains wise to get permission before using copyrighted material.

Having a group of people limit their food intake to two pounds
a day has nothing whatsoever to do with copyright law.

Using the 2PD-OMER Approach in the manner as described as published on
the HeartMDPhD.com web site however does.

So the double-doctor and triple-coward is also an expert on copyright
laws.

Hahahahahahahahahahahah

--
"To err is human, to cover it up is Weasel" -- Dogbert

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor GaryG wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor GaryG wrote:

Take home message: "Eating less and exercising more are
equally good at
helping take off the pounds".

Yes, the first law of thermodynamics has been confirmed.

From a practical standpoint, the free 2PD-OMER Approach works
because
it remains in keeping with the first law of thermodynamics.

As do traditional "eat less and/or exercise more"
techniques...as proven by
this controlled, peer-reviewed study (something your 2 pound
diet lacks).

BTW - if, as you claim, your 2 Pound Eating Disorder diet is
"100%
successful", and has a $1 million guarantee, why do you suppose
it's
received so little mention in the scientific literature?

The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet. It has been studied in more
than
625,550 people worldwide:

Which sould make it the largest single medical study in
history. Fascinating. Where may we read the details
of this study?

The manuscript is on my desk.

Excellent! So, how about a few advance questions?

Sorry. You will simply have to wait.

Oh, I increasingly suspect that `looking for sanity's post answered
more than I wanted to know.

And yet you are still participating in this thread.

And yet you are still a coward for running away from Cary's questions.

Please forgive all my iniquities.

-- was double-blinding employed?

-- were objective measurements, as opposed to self-administered
questionaires, used as the primary source of data?

-- how were these 600,000+ people recruited for this study?

-- what measures were taken to avoid "cheating", intentional
or unintentional, on the part of the subjects?

-- will you be submitting this to a peer-reviewd journal?

Note: still no response from triple-coward Chung.

As for when you can read the published manuscript, that would be
according to the will of GOD.

You know, the usual: experimental
protocols, blinding procedures, control groups, description
of all statstical analyses, exact wording of any questionaires,
peer reviews, ethical oversight, publishing history?

See above.

http://HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp

Um, nope; no additinal information there...

Simply a press release describing when the results of the study were
first publicly announced.

Moreover, they have not received permission to use it in their
studies.

No one needs your permission to run any scientific study
they might wish of 2PD-OMER. I do not need Pfizer's permission
to conduct a study of Viagra, I do not the Maharishi's permssion
to investigate the medical effects of Transcendental Meditation,
I do not need Arthur Agaston's permission to run a study
on the South Beach Diet. And no scientist needs your permission
to investigate 2PD-OMER.

It remains wise to get permission before using copyrighted material.

Having a group of people limit their food intake to two pounds
a day has nothing whatsoever to do with copyright law.

Using the 2PD-OMER Approach in the manner as described as published on
the HeartMDPhD.com web site however does.

Why, is it a pyramid scheme, wherein the suckers have to pass
on your written words to ten of their friends?

No.

Because if it does not involve repeating your words, at length and
without your permission, then there is no violation of copyright
law.

Would suggest you read the instructions in the PDF file for the 2PD-
OMER Approach.

What "PDF file", you fraud? If it really exists, it is probably just
another example of your circular references.

Truth is simple.

Indeed.

Clearly you rem

Oh shuttup, Chung.

--
"To err is human, to cover it up is Weasel" -- Dogbert