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Old January 24th, 2004, 07:44 AM
Mack
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Hello NG.Now something has been confusing me lately,and I wasn't sure
where to get an answer except for here,where alot of ppl contribute
their suggestions.Now i was wondering,since gastric bypass surgery
shrinks the stomach so there is small space for food,the person eating
will not be able to get in alot of calories.I know alot of people who
have done it and have lost a ton of weight,from 100lbs and up,who look
fantastic.I asked a few of them how many calories they consume
daily,and they have told me about 800-1000.Now since this is such a
low amount of calories,wouldnt the person go in starvation mode and
lose a tremendous amount of muscle? Also,wouldnt they feel really
weak,and how would they stand living in these conditions? What
surprised me is that the people who have done it told me they felt
really great,and not really that much weaker,even though eating a
couple of teaspoons of something makes them full.So is there something
I'm missing that this surgery does that I am not aware of.I mean i can
control how many calories i consume,if i wanted to eat 500 calories
throughout the day,I can control myself to do it,even though i will be
very hungry,i can pull it off,but I have always been told that that's
not the way.So what I'm trying to get to is that,if a person only
consumed the amount of calories that a person consumed having the
surgery done,would the results be the same? And the people who did the
surgery,wouldn't they have lost a ton of muscle? I mean the end result
is amazing,I have seen many people who were very obese who have gone
down to regular size for their age.I eat around 1700 calories a
day,feeling full and full of energy,thats because i use xenadrine
efx,which provides me with the extra kick,i mean it works for me,when
i dont take it i feel the difference,i also take TLN by prolab which
is for people consuming a small amount of calories,what it does is let
your metabolism NOT slow down,which i think works.I burn about 700-800
calories doing my daily excercise(half hour cardio+1hr and a half
heavy weight training).I also take creatine after my workout,and i get
my protein from protein powder.I have never felt better,I have been
doing this for a week only,and I have never slept better.Even though
my net calories is 1000 or less.Even after I'm done my workouts,which
is a total of 2 hours or more,i still feel like excercising more,or
playing some sports because the amount of energy left in me is
tremendous.After this week is done,I have noticed that I have not lost
a pound,or any inches,BUT i feel my muscles are puffed out alot,and
they feel more full.Now what I want to know is if my routine is
acceptable? Am i doing anything wrong? Should i continue this way
instead of turning to some kind of surgeries such as the gastric
bypass surgery?Sorry for the long post,but this is something that has
been going through my mind lately,and I would like some answers.Thank
you so much for taking the time reading my concerns,god bless you
all,and i'd like to make an online toast to everyones health.Bye!
  #2  
Old January 24th, 2004, 01:59 PM
alien
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(Mack) wrote in news:c3447236.0401232244.1b7e784
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First off GB surgery is for the morbidly obese. A friend of mine had it
done and has to Date lost over 160lbs. Yes it is IMO basicly a Very low
calorie diet under supervision of a Doctor.She has to take an insane
amount of supps everyday. In the first few months she didnt feel great at
all. Living off water and skim milk and dropped 100 lbs in just over 3
months. Now she looks and feels great. You have to remember even though
they stomach has been reduced it does stretch out a little over time and
more food can be added to the diet. What you dont hear much of is that if
they go back to thier old eating ways,after a while the stomach will
stretch back out and they will gain the weight back again and be in the
same shape as before. Im no doctor but i would suggest just keeping watch
on those cals and exercise (not an insane amount everyday). Dont opt for
such a dangerous surgery unless you are morbidly obese (150+lbs
overweight) and have no other options. For most people limiting portion
sizes or counting cals manualy + exercise does the trick. You just have
to be deticated and keep focused.


365/222/200

Jamie from NC ........ go panthers go!!!


Hello NG.Now something has been confusing me lately,and I wasn't sure
where to get an answer except for here,where alot of ppl contribute
their suggestions.Now i was wondering,since gastric bypass surgery
shrinks the stomach so there is small space for food,the person eating
will not be able to get in alot of calories.I know alot of people who
have done it and have lost a ton of weight,from 100lbs and up,who look
fantastic.I asked a few of them how many calories they consume
daily,and they have told me about 800-1000.Now since this is such a
low amount of calories,wouldnt the person go in starvation mode and
lose a tremendous amount of muscle? Also,wouldnt they feel really
weak,and how would they stand living in these conditions? What
surprised me is that the people who have done it told me they felt
really great,and not really that much weaker,even though eating a
couple of teaspoons of something makes them full.So is there something
I'm missing that this surgery does that I am not aware of.I mean i can
control how many calories i consume,if i wanted to eat 500 calories
throughout the day,I can control myself to do it,even though i will be
very hungry,i can pull it off,but I have always been told that that's
not the way.So what I'm trying to get to is that,if a person only
consumed the amount of calories that a person consumed having the
surgery done,would the results be the same? And the people who did the
surgery,wouldn't they have lost a ton of muscle? I mean the end result
is amazing,I have seen many people who were very obese who have gone
down to regular size for their age.I eat around 1700 calories a
day,feeling full and full of energy,thats because i use xenadrine
efx,which provides me with the extra kick,i mean it works for me,when
i dont take it i feel the difference,i also take TLN by prolab which
is for people consuming a small amount of calories,what it does is let
your metabolism NOT slow down,which i think works.I burn about 700-800
calories doing my daily excercise(half hour cardio+1hr and a half
heavy weight training).I also take creatine after my workout,and i get
my protein from protein powder.I have never felt better,I have been
doing this for a week only,and I have never slept better.Even though
my net calories is 1000 or less.Even after I'm done my workouts,which
is a total of 2 hours or more,i still feel like excercising more,or
playing some sports because the amount of energy left in me is
tremendous.After this week is done,I have noticed that I have not lost
a pound,or any inches,BUT i feel my muscles are puffed out alot,and
they feel more full.Now what I want to know is if my routine is
acceptable? Am i doing anything wrong? Should i continue this way
instead of turning to some kind of surgeries such as the gastric
bypass surgery?Sorry for the long post,but this is something that has
been going through my mind lately,and I would like some answers.Thank
you so much for taking the time reading my concerns,god bless you
all,and i'd like to make an online toast to everyones health.Bye!


First off GB surgery is for the morbidly obese. A friend of mine had it
done and has to Date lost over 160lbs. Yes it is IMO basicly a Very low
calorie diet under supervision of a Doctor.She has to take an insane
amount of supps everyday. In the first few months she didnt feel great at
all. Living off water and skim milk and dropped 100 lbs in just over 3
months. Now she looks and feels great. You have to remember even though
they stomach has been reduced it does stretch out a little over time and
more food can be added to the diet. What you dont hear much of is that if
they go back to thier old eating ways,after a while the stomach will
stretch back out and they will gain the weight back again and be in the
same shape as before. Im no doctor but i would suggest just keeping watch
on those cals and exercise (not an insane amount everyday). Dont opt for
such a dangerous surgery unless you are morbidly obese (150+lbs
overweight) and have no other options. For most people limiting portion
sizes or counting cals manualy + exercise does the trick. You just have
to be deticated and keep focused.


365/222/200

Jamie from NC ........ go panthers go!!!
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Old January 24th, 2004, 02:10 PM
Perple Gyrl
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Default Gastric Bypass = starvation mode???

My best friend had it done, lost 120 lbs and didn't exercise. She lost a
ton of muscle mass but claims she feels great.... I keep trying to talk her
into working out, but she hates exercise.
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"Mack" wrote in message
m...
Hello NG.Now something has been confusing me lately,and I wasn't sure
where to get an answer except for here,where alot of ppl contribute
their suggestions.Now i was wondering,since gastric bypass surgery
shrinks the stomach so there is small space for food,the person eating
will not be able to get in alot of calories.I know alot of people who
have done it and have lost a ton of weight,from 100lbs and up,who look
fantastic.I asked a few of them how many calories they consume
daily,and they have told me about 800-1000.Now since this is such a
low amount of calories,wouldnt the person go in starvation mode and
lose a tremendous amount of muscle? Also,wouldnt they feel really
weak,and how would they stand living in these conditions? What
surprised me is that the people who have done it told me they felt
really great,and not really that much weaker,even though eating a
couple of teaspoons of something makes them full.So is there something
I'm missing that this surgery does that I am not aware of.I mean i can
control how many calories i consume,if i wanted to eat 500 calories
throughout the day,I can control myself to do it,even though i will be
very hungry,i can pull it off,but I have always been told that that's
not the way.So what I'm trying to get to is that,if a person only
consumed the amount of calories that a person consumed having the
surgery done,would the results be the same? And the people who did the
surgery,wouldn't they have lost a ton of muscle? I mean the end result
is amazing,I have seen many people who were very obese who have gone
down to regular size for their age.I eat around 1700 calories a
day,feeling full and full of energy,thats because i use xenadrine
efx,which provides me with the extra kick,i mean it works for me,when
i dont take it i feel the difference,i also take TLN by prolab which
is for people consuming a small amount of calories,what it does is let
your metabolism NOT slow down,which i think works.I burn about 700-800
calories doing my daily excercise(half hour cardio+1hr and a half
heavy weight training).I also take creatine after my workout,and i get
my protein from protein powder.I have never felt better,I have been
doing this for a week only,and I have never slept better.Even though
my net calories is 1000 or less.Even after I'm done my workouts,which
is a total of 2 hours or more,i still feel like excercising more,or
playing some sports because the amount of energy left in me is
tremendous.After this week is done,I have noticed that I have not lost
a pound,or any inches,BUT i feel my muscles are puffed out alot,and
they feel more full.Now what I want to know is if my routine is
acceptable? Am i doing anything wrong? Should i continue this way
instead of turning to some kind of surgeries such as the gastric
bypass surgery?Sorry for the long post,but this is something that has
been going through my mind lately,and I would like some answers.Thank
you so much for taking the time reading my concerns,god bless you
all,and i'd like to make an online toast to everyones health.Bye!



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Old January 24th, 2004, 02:22 PM
Perple Gyrl
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Yup, I agree with you. My friend has gained about 5 lbs back and it is
freaking out. She thought that the surgery would be all she would need to
do. I see her now, she eats all of the time and eats more then she used to.
She also eats mainly carbs, very little protein. She set herself up to
gain weight back easily by losing all of those muscles and not rebuilding
them. She is now reading the South Beach Diet book and considering going on
it... *sigh*.

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"alien" You have to remember even though
they stomach has been reduced it does stretch out a little over time and
more food can be added to the diet. What you dont hear much of is that if
they go back to thier old eating ways,after a while the stomach will
stretch back out and they will gain the weight back again and be in the
same shape as before. Im no doctor but i would suggest just keeping watch
365/222/200

Jamie from NC ........ go panthers go!!!



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Old January 24th, 2004, 02:56 PM
Jeri
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"Mack" wrote in message
m
Hello NG.Now something has been confusing me lately,and I wasn't sure
where to get an answer except for here,where alot of ppl contribute
their suggestions.Now i was wondering,since gastric bypass surgery
shrinks the stomach so there is small space for food,the person eating
will not be able to get in alot of calories.I know alot of people who
have done it and have lost a ton of weight,from 100lbs and up,who look
fantastic.I asked a few of them how many calories they consume
daily,and they have told me about 800-1000.Now since this is such a
low amount of calories,wouldnt the person go in starvation mode and
lose a tremendous amount of muscle?

snip

I'm not a doctor but as I understand it as long as a person is getting ALL
of the macro and micronutrients they need in the right quantities and ratios
the number of calories doesn't really matter. This is assuming they have
enough excess fat to burn for energy of course. (I believe this is probably
one of the big reasons morbid obesity is one of the criteria for this
operation.)

Starvation mode comes into play when people reduce their calories to extreme
levels and DON'T get all the nutrients they need. That's when the body
starts using it's own stores to the detriment of health. Obviously it also
comes into play if someone doesn't have enough fat to burn to sustain
metabolism.

That's why it's **imperative** that people on very low calorie diets be
under close, competent medical supervision and follow any medical
instructions to the letter.


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Old January 24th, 2004, 08:22 PM
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Mack wrote:

Hello NG.Now something has been confusing me lately,


The "enter" key is also called a "carriage return" key. I know it's
confusing, but it is useful for starting new paragraphs and putting
spaces in between subjects. Try it, you'll like it.

Now i was wondering,since gastric bypass surgery
shrinks the stomach so there is small space for food,the person eating
will not be able to get in alot of calories.


Gastric bypass is an option of last resort for people with imminent
health dangers that require them to immediately drop a lot of weight.
It is unhealthy to lose weight that fast, you're left with hanging
sheets of skin, you do damage to all sorts of your body's systems and
yes, you lose tons of muscle mass. Probably bone density, too. Oh, and
the surgery, anesthesia or post-recovery clot can all kill you.

So what I'm trying to get to is that,if a person only
consumed the amount of calories that a person consumed having the
surgery done,would the results be the same?


Sadly, yes. You're asking the wrong question, though. How could you
get BETTER results with LESS risk? By changing your way of eating and
exercising permanently to a sane and healthy regimen. It'll take
longer, but the skin can keep up, the bones don't have to get brittle,
the endocrine system won't go into rebellion and you'll have learned
new, life-sustaining habits along the way.

I burn about 700-800
calories doing my daily excercise(half hour cardio+1hr and a half
heavy weight training).I also take creatine after my workout,and i get
my protein from protein powder.I have never felt better,I have been
doing this for a week only,and I have never slept better.Even though
my net calories is 1000 or less.


That was a nice experiment. Now cut it out before it hurts you. Eat no
less than 8x your weight in calories and get the calories from a variety
of foods that contain fiber, nutrients and healthy fats.

(Is anyone else getting as sick of the crash diet morons showing up here
lately as I am?)

Even after I'm done my workouts, which
is a total of 2 hours or more


OVER-TRAINING. You'll just get injured. Or grow discontent with the
gym and leave it entirely. Find a sane routine. Three or four 45
minute weight-lifiting sessions a week is plenty. I don't care if you
do cardio most days of the week for 1/2 an hour, but 1.5 hours a day
lifting weights is just moronic - what's your goal?

Should i continue this way
instead of turning to some kind of surgeries such as the gastric
bypass surgery?


You are correct that you can lose weight by eating less and exercising
more and can thus avoid surgery.

How heavy are you? Do you have a bariatric physician who has evaluated
you and said you have immediate health risks that justify surgery?

Dally
244/184/170

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Old January 24th, 2004, 11:56 PM
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:22:45 -0500, Dally wrote:
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I burn about 700-800
calories doing my daily excercise(half hour cardio+1hr and a half
heavy weight training).I also take creatine after my workout,and i get
my protein from protein powder.I have never felt better,I have been
doing this for a week only,and I have never slept better.Even though
my net calories is 1000 or less.


That was a nice experiment. Now cut it out before it hurts you. Eat no
less than 8x your weight in calories and get the calories from a variety
of foods that contain fiber, nutrients and healthy fats.

(Is anyone else getting as sick of the crash diet morons showing up here
lately as I am?)

Even after I'm done my workouts, which
is a total of 2 hours or more


OVER-TRAINING. You'll just get injured. Or grow discontent with the
gym and leave it entirely. Find a sane routine. Three or four 45
minute weight-lifiting sessions a week is plenty. I don't care if you
do cardio most days of the week for 1/2 an hour, but 1.5 hours a day
lifting weights is just moronic - what's your goal?

snip

Would feeling tired all the time be the most obvious symptom of
overtraining? So far I've been pretty happy working out 1.5-2 hrs a
day, 7 days a week doing cardio/weights. It's a regimen I've been
following close to 10 mos. now. I sleep quite well at night, don't
suffer any aches or pains and feel quite energetic throughout the day.
I'm sure there's many folks who do hard physical labor on the job
+40hrs a week so I figure what's 2 hrs of exercise a day?


HAMBURGER
345/179/180
Started March'03

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Old January 25th, 2004, 12:13 AM
Dally
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HAMBURGER wrote:

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:22:45 -0500, Dally wrote:


OVER-TRAINING. You'll just get injured. Or grow discontent with the
gym and leave it entirely. Find a sane routine. Three or four 45
minute weight-lifiting sessions a week is plenty. I don't care if you
do cardio most days of the week for 1/2 an hour, but 1.5 hours a day
lifting weights is just moronic - what's your goal?


Would feeling tired all the time be the most obvious symptom of
overtraining? So far I've been pretty happy working out 1.5-2 hrs a
day, 7 days a week doing cardio/weights. It's a regimen I've been
following close to 10 mos. now. I sleep quite well at night, don't
suffer any aches or pains and feel quite energetic throughout the day.
I'm sure there's many folks who do hard physical labor on the job
+40hrs a week so I figure what's 2 hrs of exercise a day?


Over-training is real. The way to handle it is to prevent it. The way
to prevent it is to plan breaks from the gym. A planned break from the
gym means you have to RESTART going back to the gym.

Do you go everyday because you're afraid if you fall off the exercise
wagon you won't be able to climb back on? If that's the case (and that
used to be my problem) then you need to tackle that issue in order to
make your weight loss be maintainable.

HAMBURGER
345/179/180
Started March'03


In 10 months you've lost 166 pounds? That's startling. You don't have
the same name as the first guy I replied to, are you another crash
dieter de-lurking or have we seen you before? Were you on HMR or any of
the other doctor-supervised plans our did you just figure out how to
lose four pounds (of whatever) a week all on your own?

I notice you're at goal (and dropped below it) now. How do you intend
to maintain this regimen for the rest of your life?

I'm really curious about your maintenance plans. How have you changed
your eating to make it be sustainable changes? Does your entire
life-style depend on being able to spend two hours a day in the gym now?

Dally

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Old January 25th, 2004, 12:23 AM
Mack
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I am currently 250 pounds,and 20 years of age.Last year i was 314
pounds,but ive lost 64 pounds eating 1500 calories daily,doing half
hour cardio and lifting weights,of course i was always cheating and
sometimes stopping for about a few weeks or even a month,but still i
managed to drop 64 pounds.I have built a ton of muscle,i used to be
able only to bench press 80 lbs,but now im up to 170lbs,my arms are
18" wide,my chest is 44" wide,my waist is 45" wide,my thighs are 30"
wide.I have still a ton of fat to lose,since i've built alot of
muscle,i dont mind sacrificing a little bit of it to lose more fat.So
would eating a very low calorie diet help me achieve my goals
quicker.I know alot of you will be flaming me,but I am still very
obese,and it's frustrating.

About getting the nutrients available,i take multivitamins(centrum
forte),grape seed extract,TLN by prolab(a mixture of minerals that
will trick thyroid into not going into starvation mode when on a low
calorie diet),xenadrine efx(gives me such a high level energy
boost).Now if i were to follow my plan,getting a net calorie
accumulation of about 1000 per day(thats after subtracting the
calories burnt during excersice),will i achieve optimal weight loss?I
know alot of ppl will be saying its not healthy,i understand that,but
all I want is a straight answer,if this will give optimal fat loss in
a quicker time frame than a traditional diet.Like i said i do need
feel any hunger,or weakness,im always full of energy as if i was
eating regularly when not on any regimen.Thanks
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Old January 25th, 2004, 12:35 AM
Dally
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Mack wrote:

I
know alot of ppl will be saying its not healthy,i understand that,but
all I want is a straight answer,if this will give optimal fat loss in
a quicker time frame than a traditional diet.


I don't know what you mean by a traditional diet, but no, I don't think
eating so few calories will give you optimal fat loss, I think it will
give you optimal WEIGHT loss.

But I gotta ask you, what's your goal? Are you slated to star in a
porno movie in August? Or you are you trying to improve you looks and
your health for the next 60 years of your life? Because you're on track
to drop the weight fast for a MOMENT and then regain it because you
didn't learn the lessons you had to learn.

Learn to eat healthy foods in nutritious quality in quantities
sufficient to have the energy you need and not to be hungry.

Learn to exercise in a way that maintains your body without beating it
up or not being sustainable or that prevents you from having a work or
private or social life.

Any diet that depends on willpower to shed the weight fast has a dark
side when you get to goal. We call that "yo yo dieting" and I'll be 90%
of the formerly obese people here did it at least a few times before
they figured it out.

You've got to change your lifestyle. Change it to what you want it to
be when you're thin and you'll gradually GET thin as you learn how to BE
thin.

Meanwhile, your skin will keep up, your metabolism will keep up, your
lifestyle will work and you'll make your mistakes as you go rather than
after you've gotten to goal and have everyone watching to see if you've
regained it [yet].

Dally

 




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