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Gastric Bypass = starvation mode???
Hello NG.Now something has been confusing me lately,and I wasn't sure
where to get an answer except for here,where alot of ppl contribute their suggestions.Now i was wondering,since gastric bypass surgery shrinks the stomach so there is small space for food,the person eating will not be able to get in alot of calories.I know alot of people who have done it and have lost a ton of weight,from 100lbs and up,who look fantastic.I asked a few of them how many calories they consume daily,and they have told me about 800-1000.Now since this is such a low amount of calories,wouldnt the person go in starvation mode and lose a tremendous amount of muscle? Also,wouldnt they feel really weak,and how would they stand living in these conditions? What surprised me is that the people who have done it told me they felt really great,and not really that much weaker,even though eating a couple of teaspoons of something makes them full.So is there something I'm missing that this surgery does that I am not aware of.I mean i can control how many calories i consume,if i wanted to eat 500 calories throughout the day,I can control myself to do it,even though i will be very hungry,i can pull it off,but I have always been told that that's not the way.So what I'm trying to get to is that,if a person only consumed the amount of calories that a person consumed having the surgery done,would the results be the same? And the people who did the surgery,wouldn't they have lost a ton of muscle? I mean the end result is amazing,I have seen many people who were very obese who have gone down to regular size for their age.I eat around 1700 calories a day,feeling full and full of energy,thats because i use xenadrine efx,which provides me with the extra kick,i mean it works for me,when i dont take it i feel the difference,i also take TLN by prolab which is for people consuming a small amount of calories,what it does is let your metabolism NOT slow down,which i think works.I burn about 700-800 calories doing my daily excercise(half hour cardio+1hr and a half heavy weight training).I also take creatine after my workout,and i get my protein from protein powder.I have never felt better,I have been doing this for a week only,and I have never slept better.Even though my net calories is 1000 or less.Even after I'm done my workouts,which is a total of 2 hours or more,i still feel like excercising more,or playing some sports because the amount of energy left in me is tremendous.After this week is done,I have noticed that I have not lost a pound,or any inches,BUT i feel my muscles are puffed out alot,and they feel more full.Now what I want to know is if my routine is acceptable? Am i doing anything wrong? Should i continue this way instead of turning to some kind of surgeries such as the gastric bypass surgery?Sorry for the long post,but this is something that has been going through my mind lately,and I would like some answers.Thank you so much for taking the time reading my concerns,god bless you all,and i'd like to make an online toast to everyones health.Bye! |
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Gastric Bypass = starvation mode???
My best friend had it done, lost 120 lbs and didn't exercise. She lost a
ton of muscle mass but claims she feels great.... I keep trying to talk her into working out, but she hates exercise. -- Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow "Mack" wrote in message m... Hello NG.Now something has been confusing me lately,and I wasn't sure where to get an answer except for here,where alot of ppl contribute their suggestions.Now i was wondering,since gastric bypass surgery shrinks the stomach so there is small space for food,the person eating will not be able to get in alot of calories.I know alot of people who have done it and have lost a ton of weight,from 100lbs and up,who look fantastic.I asked a few of them how many calories they consume daily,and they have told me about 800-1000.Now since this is such a low amount of calories,wouldnt the person go in starvation mode and lose a tremendous amount of muscle? Also,wouldnt they feel really weak,and how would they stand living in these conditions? What surprised me is that the people who have done it told me they felt really great,and not really that much weaker,even though eating a couple of teaspoons of something makes them full.So is there something I'm missing that this surgery does that I am not aware of.I mean i can control how many calories i consume,if i wanted to eat 500 calories throughout the day,I can control myself to do it,even though i will be very hungry,i can pull it off,but I have always been told that that's not the way.So what I'm trying to get to is that,if a person only consumed the amount of calories that a person consumed having the surgery done,would the results be the same? And the people who did the surgery,wouldn't they have lost a ton of muscle? I mean the end result is amazing,I have seen many people who were very obese who have gone down to regular size for their age.I eat around 1700 calories a day,feeling full and full of energy,thats because i use xenadrine efx,which provides me with the extra kick,i mean it works for me,when i dont take it i feel the difference,i also take TLN by prolab which is for people consuming a small amount of calories,what it does is let your metabolism NOT slow down,which i think works.I burn about 700-800 calories doing my daily excercise(half hour cardio+1hr and a half heavy weight training).I also take creatine after my workout,and i get my protein from protein powder.I have never felt better,I have been doing this for a week only,and I have never slept better.Even though my net calories is 1000 or less.Even after I'm done my workouts,which is a total of 2 hours or more,i still feel like excercising more,or playing some sports because the amount of energy left in me is tremendous.After this week is done,I have noticed that I have not lost a pound,or any inches,BUT i feel my muscles are puffed out alot,and they feel more full.Now what I want to know is if my routine is acceptable? Am i doing anything wrong? Should i continue this way instead of turning to some kind of surgeries such as the gastric bypass surgery?Sorry for the long post,but this is something that has been going through my mind lately,and I would like some answers.Thank you so much for taking the time reading my concerns,god bless you all,and i'd like to make an online toast to everyones health.Bye! |
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Yup, I agree with you. My friend has gained about 5 lbs back and it is
freaking out. She thought that the surgery would be all she would need to do. I see her now, she eats all of the time and eats more then she used to. She also eats mainly carbs, very little protein. She set herself up to gain weight back easily by losing all of those muscles and not rebuilding them. She is now reading the South Beach Diet book and considering going on it... *sigh*. -- Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow "alien" You have to remember even though they stomach has been reduced it does stretch out a little over time and more food can be added to the diet. What you dont hear much of is that if they go back to thier old eating ways,after a while the stomach will stretch back out and they will gain the weight back again and be in the same shape as before. Im no doctor but i would suggest just keeping watch 365/222/200 Jamie from NC ........ go panthers go!!! |
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Gastric Bypass = starvation mode???
"Mack" wrote in message
m Hello NG.Now something has been confusing me lately,and I wasn't sure where to get an answer except for here,where alot of ppl contribute their suggestions.Now i was wondering,since gastric bypass surgery shrinks the stomach so there is small space for food,the person eating will not be able to get in alot of calories.I know alot of people who have done it and have lost a ton of weight,from 100lbs and up,who look fantastic.I asked a few of them how many calories they consume daily,and they have told me about 800-1000.Now since this is such a low amount of calories,wouldnt the person go in starvation mode and lose a tremendous amount of muscle? snip I'm not a doctor but as I understand it as long as a person is getting ALL of the macro and micronutrients they need in the right quantities and ratios the number of calories doesn't really matter. This is assuming they have enough excess fat to burn for energy of course. (I believe this is probably one of the big reasons morbid obesity is one of the criteria for this operation.) Starvation mode comes into play when people reduce their calories to extreme levels and DON'T get all the nutrients they need. That's when the body starts using it's own stores to the detriment of health. Obviously it also comes into play if someone doesn't have enough fat to burn to sustain metabolism. That's why it's **imperative** that people on very low calorie diets be under close, competent medical supervision and follow any medical instructions to the letter. |
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Mack wrote:
Hello NG.Now something has been confusing me lately, The "enter" key is also called a "carriage return" key. I know it's confusing, but it is useful for starting new paragraphs and putting spaces in between subjects. Try it, you'll like it. Now i was wondering,since gastric bypass surgery shrinks the stomach so there is small space for food,the person eating will not be able to get in alot of calories. Gastric bypass is an option of last resort for people with imminent health dangers that require them to immediately drop a lot of weight. It is unhealthy to lose weight that fast, you're left with hanging sheets of skin, you do damage to all sorts of your body's systems and yes, you lose tons of muscle mass. Probably bone density, too. Oh, and the surgery, anesthesia or post-recovery clot can all kill you. So what I'm trying to get to is that,if a person only consumed the amount of calories that a person consumed having the surgery done,would the results be the same? Sadly, yes. You're asking the wrong question, though. How could you get BETTER results with LESS risk? By changing your way of eating and exercising permanently to a sane and healthy regimen. It'll take longer, but the skin can keep up, the bones don't have to get brittle, the endocrine system won't go into rebellion and you'll have learned new, life-sustaining habits along the way. I burn about 700-800 calories doing my daily excercise(half hour cardio+1hr and a half heavy weight training).I also take creatine after my workout,and i get my protein from protein powder.I have never felt better,I have been doing this for a week only,and I have never slept better.Even though my net calories is 1000 or less. That was a nice experiment. Now cut it out before it hurts you. Eat no less than 8x your weight in calories and get the calories from a variety of foods that contain fiber, nutrients and healthy fats. (Is anyone else getting as sick of the crash diet morons showing up here lately as I am?) Even after I'm done my workouts, which is a total of 2 hours or more OVER-TRAINING. You'll just get injured. Or grow discontent with the gym and leave it entirely. Find a sane routine. Three or four 45 minute weight-lifiting sessions a week is plenty. I don't care if you do cardio most days of the week for 1/2 an hour, but 1.5 hours a day lifting weights is just moronic - what's your goal? Should i continue this way instead of turning to some kind of surgeries such as the gastric bypass surgery? You are correct that you can lose weight by eating less and exercising more and can thus avoid surgery. How heavy are you? Do you have a bariatric physician who has evaluated you and said you have immediate health risks that justify surgery? Dally 244/184/170 |
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Gastric Bypass = starvation mode???
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:22:45 -0500, Dally wrote:
snip I burn about 700-800 calories doing my daily excercise(half hour cardio+1hr and a half heavy weight training).I also take creatine after my workout,and i get my protein from protein powder.I have never felt better,I have been doing this for a week only,and I have never slept better.Even though my net calories is 1000 or less. That was a nice experiment. Now cut it out before it hurts you. Eat no less than 8x your weight in calories and get the calories from a variety of foods that contain fiber, nutrients and healthy fats. (Is anyone else getting as sick of the crash diet morons showing up here lately as I am?) Even after I'm done my workouts, which is a total of 2 hours or more OVER-TRAINING. You'll just get injured. Or grow discontent with the gym and leave it entirely. Find a sane routine. Three or four 45 minute weight-lifiting sessions a week is plenty. I don't care if you do cardio most days of the week for 1/2 an hour, but 1.5 hours a day lifting weights is just moronic - what's your goal? snip Would feeling tired all the time be the most obvious symptom of overtraining? So far I've been pretty happy working out 1.5-2 hrs a day, 7 days a week doing cardio/weights. It's a regimen I've been following close to 10 mos. now. I sleep quite well at night, don't suffer any aches or pains and feel quite energetic throughout the day. I'm sure there's many folks who do hard physical labor on the job +40hrs a week so I figure what's 2 hrs of exercise a day? HAMBURGER 345/179/180 Started March'03 |
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HAMBURGER wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:22:45 -0500, Dally wrote: OVER-TRAINING. You'll just get injured. Or grow discontent with the gym and leave it entirely. Find a sane routine. Three or four 45 minute weight-lifiting sessions a week is plenty. I don't care if you do cardio most days of the week for 1/2 an hour, but 1.5 hours a day lifting weights is just moronic - what's your goal? Would feeling tired all the time be the most obvious symptom of overtraining? So far I've been pretty happy working out 1.5-2 hrs a day, 7 days a week doing cardio/weights. It's a regimen I've been following close to 10 mos. now. I sleep quite well at night, don't suffer any aches or pains and feel quite energetic throughout the day. I'm sure there's many folks who do hard physical labor on the job +40hrs a week so I figure what's 2 hrs of exercise a day? Over-training is real. The way to handle it is to prevent it. The way to prevent it is to plan breaks from the gym. A planned break from the gym means you have to RESTART going back to the gym. Do you go everyday because you're afraid if you fall off the exercise wagon you won't be able to climb back on? If that's the case (and that used to be my problem) then you need to tackle that issue in order to make your weight loss be maintainable. HAMBURGER 345/179/180 Started March'03 In 10 months you've lost 166 pounds? That's startling. You don't have the same name as the first guy I replied to, are you another crash dieter de-lurking or have we seen you before? Were you on HMR or any of the other doctor-supervised plans our did you just figure out how to lose four pounds (of whatever) a week all on your own? I notice you're at goal (and dropped below it) now. How do you intend to maintain this regimen for the rest of your life? I'm really curious about your maintenance plans. How have you changed your eating to make it be sustainable changes? Does your entire life-style depend on being able to spend two hours a day in the gym now? Dally |
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Gastric Bypass = starvation mode???
I am currently 250 pounds,and 20 years of age.Last year i was 314
pounds,but ive lost 64 pounds eating 1500 calories daily,doing half hour cardio and lifting weights,of course i was always cheating and sometimes stopping for about a few weeks or even a month,but still i managed to drop 64 pounds.I have built a ton of muscle,i used to be able only to bench press 80 lbs,but now im up to 170lbs,my arms are 18" wide,my chest is 44" wide,my waist is 45" wide,my thighs are 30" wide.I have still a ton of fat to lose,since i've built alot of muscle,i dont mind sacrificing a little bit of it to lose more fat.So would eating a very low calorie diet help me achieve my goals quicker.I know alot of you will be flaming me,but I am still very obese,and it's frustrating. About getting the nutrients available,i take multivitamins(centrum forte),grape seed extract,TLN by prolab(a mixture of minerals that will trick thyroid into not going into starvation mode when on a low calorie diet),xenadrine efx(gives me such a high level energy boost).Now if i were to follow my plan,getting a net calorie accumulation of about 1000 per day(thats after subtracting the calories burnt during excersice),will i achieve optimal weight loss?I know alot of ppl will be saying its not healthy,i understand that,but all I want is a straight answer,if this will give optimal fat loss in a quicker time frame than a traditional diet.Like i said i do need feel any hunger,or weakness,im always full of energy as if i was eating regularly when not on any regimen.Thanks |
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Mack wrote:
I know alot of ppl will be saying its not healthy,i understand that,but all I want is a straight answer,if this will give optimal fat loss in a quicker time frame than a traditional diet. I don't know what you mean by a traditional diet, but no, I don't think eating so few calories will give you optimal fat loss, I think it will give you optimal WEIGHT loss. But I gotta ask you, what's your goal? Are you slated to star in a porno movie in August? Or you are you trying to improve you looks and your health for the next 60 years of your life? Because you're on track to drop the weight fast for a MOMENT and then regain it because you didn't learn the lessons you had to learn. Learn to eat healthy foods in nutritious quality in quantities sufficient to have the energy you need and not to be hungry. Learn to exercise in a way that maintains your body without beating it up or not being sustainable or that prevents you from having a work or private or social life. Any diet that depends on willpower to shed the weight fast has a dark side when you get to goal. We call that "yo yo dieting" and I'll be 90% of the formerly obese people here did it at least a few times before they figured it out. You've got to change your lifestyle. Change it to what you want it to be when you're thin and you'll gradually GET thin as you learn how to BE thin. Meanwhile, your skin will keep up, your metabolism will keep up, your lifestyle will work and you'll make your mistakes as you go rather than after you've gotten to goal and have everyone watching to see if you've regained it [yet]. Dally |
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