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"wendy" wrote in message ... But it's not. It's more about how our bodies are. Just like running. You'll never be as fast as person with a lot of fast twitch muscle fibres. Clearly to be a world class athelete requires an immense amount of work and steroids, but it's difficult to overcome your genetic heritage. If you are born with fewer dopamine receptors you are much more likely to be an addict and/or overweight. Plus a dozen other hormone interactions that are genetic. Plus the instinct to eat in our fat/sugar environment. Plus we don't need to exercise to survive anymore. To say it's all about mindset is to not really understand what's going on. The problem with that mind set is it allows any bad or negative behavior.....When I explain to my wife that my sleeping around can't be helped because of the "gifts" I'm blessed with I'm sure I'll find great comfort living elsewhere.....Try telling your boss that will be chronically late because your such a heavy sleeper and can't always get up......discipline and adaptation(several loud alarm clocks) to the problem is both needed and required for most successful lives...everybody indeed may have different battles, temptations or desires as we all struggle with different things.....but everybody is more than capable.....The trick with food is not particularly in the doing (eat less or eat differently) but in the wanting to day after day after day......not confusing wishes with wants helps as well. I may wish I was thinner but if I don't or won't do something about it I do not actually want it.....One may surmise that wishes and fairytales come true rarely just like successful diets...however everybody whom "wants to" will. (except for maybe a few medical oddities).... Rod |
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Their thyroid glands didn't change. If the only reason they lost weight was less calories, then they didn't build muscle. You have to exercise to be healthy and build muscle. "wendy" wrote in message ... A while ago there was some discussion on if the body adjusts metabolism after weight loss to maintain the higher weight. Here's an article that talks about the issue: Why lost weight returns after dieting http://www.news-medical.net/?id=2955 The data suggests that weight loss in obese, obesity-prone rats, induced by caloric restriction, is accompanied by metabolic adaptations that predispose one to regain the lost weight. In rats that are losing weight, this is exhibited by a significant reduction in metabolic rate, measured as both 24-hour energy expenditure and sleeping metabolic rate, both independent of metabolic mass and energy intake. This adaptation persists after eight weeks of intake-regulated weight maintenance, but is no longer present with eight subsequent weeks of feeding at-will where rats are regaining lost weight. While rats that are regaining weight may have a shift in appetite that would contribute to their high rate of weight regain, the drive to increase food intake remains the most critical factor in the predisposition to regain lost weight. This adjustment clearly weighs more on the energy balance equation than the metabolic adjustment on energy expenditure observed in this or any other study. Additionally, the effect that energy intake, or more particularly, carbohydrate intake, has on respiratory quotient [dividing the amount of CO2 produced (VCO2) by the amount of oxygen uptake (VO2)]. RQ is much more dramatic than the metabolic adjustment observed from weight reduction. This drive to increase food intake likely involves environmental stimuli (diet composition, food palatability, physical activity) influencing motivational and metabolic components of a genetically determined set of central systems. While the data suggest that these metabolic adaptations might hinder successful weight maintenance, it should not imply that successful weight maintenance is unachievable. Even with the increased intake of carbohydrates, regular physical exercise may be the key factor that counteracts these metabolic adaptations to weight loss. ---- I notice that after everyone of these pronouncements saying how hard weight is to lose they say something like it's not unachievable. How hard does something have to be before people stop trying to achieve it? Not very hard. |
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:12:55 GMT, "Thomas Muffaletto"
wrote: regular physical exercise may be the key factor that counteracts these metabolic adaptations to weight loss. for me its the only way to do it. That's been my perception. I kind of feel like my metabolism is faster now than it was when I was heavy. Maybe not in absolute terms -- I eat less now than I did then -- but relative to my bodyweight I eat more, I think. I attribute this to the fact that I exercise a fair bit. Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004 |
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wendy wrote:
Ignoramus21798 wrote: It all depends on how much you want it. So if you want it bad enough you can be a four minute miler? I think not. Your physical body establishes what is ultimately possible. Numerous people lose weight and keep it off, not without difficulties. It is not impossible. Nor is it easy enough to expect even the majority of people to be able to do it. The 2PD-OMER Approach is simple enough. At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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Ignoramus21798 wrote:
snip It all depends on how much you want it. Numerous people lose weight and keep it off, not without difficulties. It is not impossible. More than 625,550 people for more than 5 years without regain: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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wendy wrote:
A while ago there was some discussion on if the body adjusts metabolism after weight loss to maintain the higher weight. Here's an article that talks about the issue: Why lost weight returns after dieting http://www.news-medical.net/?id=2955 The data suggests that weight loss in obese, obesity-prone rats, induced by caloric restriction, is accompanied by metabolic adaptations that predispose one to regain the lost weight. In rats that are losing weight, this is exhibited by a significant reduction in metabolic rate, measured as both 24-hour energy expenditure and sleeping metabolic rate, both independent of metabolic mass and energy intake. This adaptation persists after eight weeks of intake-regulated weight maintenance, but is no longer present with eight subsequent weeks of feeding at-will where rats are regaining lost weight. While rats that are regaining weight may have a shift in appetite that would contribute to their high rate of weight regain, the drive to increase food intake remains the most critical factor in the predisposition to regain lost weight. This adjustment clearly weighs more on the energy balance equation than the metabolic adjustment on energy expenditure observed in this or any other study. Additionally, the effect that energy intake, or more particularly, carbohydrate intake, has on respiratory quotient [dividing the amount of CO2 produced (VCO2) by the amount of oxygen uptake (VO2)]. RQ is much more dramatic than the metabolic adjustment observed from weight reduction. This drive to increase food intake likely involves environmental stimuli (diet composition, food palatability, physical activity) influencing motivational and metabolic components of a genetically determined set of central systems. While the data suggest that these metabolic adaptations might hinder successful weight maintenance, it should not imply that successful weight maintenance is unachievable. Even with the increased intake of carbohydrates, regular physical exercise may be the key factor that counteracts these metabolic adaptations to weight loss. ---- I notice that after everyone of these pronouncements saying how hard weight is to lose they say something like it's not unachievable. I believe that is because they have encountered some of the more than 625,550 people who have achieved lasting ( 5 yrs) weight loss using the 2PD-OMER Approach. At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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JC Der Koenig wrote:
Quit looking for excuses: just eat less and exercise more. Wiser would be to eat the **right** amount: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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GaryG wrote:
"wendy" wrote in message ... GaryG wrote: "wendy" wrote in message ... GaryG wrote: Well...it's not rocket science either. Losing weight simply requires consuming a few less calories per day than one burns. And running a 4 minute mile simply require running a mile under 4 minutes. Not everyone is able to run a 4-minute mile - it's not physically possible. Rubish. It's just mind over matter. Just eat less exercise more. Wait, that's for weight. But, it is physically possible for anyone to consume a few less calories than they burn each day. And you know this how? As we are just learning about most of these mechanisms and we are only a generation or two into the world of plenty without exercise- there's no way for you to know. All evidence is going the other way. Many yogis can control their breathing so they can stay in a coffin for days. It's possible. Can the other 99.999956% of humanity? Unlikely. So, we should all just give up then? Look for help through drugs and surgery? No. Look he http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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GaryG wrote:
"wendy" wrote in message ... GaryG wrote: Well...it's not rocket science either. Losing weight simply requires consuming a few less calories per day than one burns. And running a 4 minute mile simply require running a mile under 4 minutes. Not everyone is able to run a 4-minute mile - it's not physically possible. But, it is physically possible for anyone to consume a few less calories than they burn each day. It can be challenging, because of they availability of food, and the way it is consumed recreationally and socially. Is it easy to lose weight? No. Is it possible? Yes. Here's how: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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wendy wrote:
Ignoramus21798 wrote: On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:55:30 -0700, wendy wrote: Ignoramus21798 wrote: It all depends on how much you want it. So if you want it bad enough you can be a four minute miler? I think not. Your physical body establishes what is ultimately possible. Any fat person can lose weight if they are calorie restricted (for example, confined in a cage with limited food). It is unlike running. That's not really the point though. What is important is how do you keep the weight off when you are free in the wild. Surely, we know that the majority of people cannot lose weight, and the majority of those who can lose weight does not keep it off. So, here, I agree with you. I don't know about cannot, but it's a lot harder than people want to admit. Not for those learn to watch **how much** they are eating and choose to befriend the **healthier** appetite that comes from eating less down to the **right** amount. At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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