Down Fall of Low Carb

XiaoZhen wrote:
:: On May 2, 8:28 pm, "
:: wrote:
::: On May 1, 11:52 pm, XiaoZhen wrote:
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:::: On May 2, 12:57 am, Aaron Baugher wrote:
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::::: XiaoZhen writes:
:::: What you have to do is follow a lifestyle that includes healthy and
:::: natural food and some exercise. Healthy and natural food
:::: emcompasses many, many foods. So it is actually quite simple to
:::: pick those foods you like from this range. Some needs getting
:::: used to.
:::: For example, if you are reducing your sugar intake, (which is
:::: fabulous for losing weight and improving health), just start with
:::: a little less sugar everytime. Sooner or later, you will find
:::: that a little sugar actually tastes sweet to you and wonder why
:::: you could consume so much in the past.
:::
::
::: If it's all so simple, why are so many people fat? Personally, like
::: many others
::: I have found that if I tried to gradually reduce my sugar from the
::: level of the
::: typical American diet, I'd have cravings and be hungry most of the
::: time. And
::: that's one big reason it isn't simple and doesn't work.
::
:: Cutting any type of favourite food is not at all simple. In reducing
:: sugar intake, you can find substitutes. Some people go for artifical
:: sweeteners, which I think is chemical.

When it's all said and done, everything is a chemical....


:: I find healthy substitutes
:: like non starchy fruits and some low fat yoghurts and dark
:: chocolates. At least while taking in the sugar, there's something
:: good there.
::
:: Eat lean meat and lots of fibre to stop those cravings. It did for
:: me, and I don't even have to take much protein.

Yuck. Lean meat and fiber? Boring! Life must be hard.....how long have you
been doing this?

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:::
:::: While I want to be slim, healthy, I also want an easy way to
:::: mainatin my health and weight. I found after 12 years of dieting,
:::: finally a very simple way, which most healthy slim people are
:::: doing, and yes daily and all their life. I used to wonder why the
:::: slim people around me could eat and not be fat. While it was so
:::: easy for me to put on weight.
::
::
::: Whoa! Stop right there. I have a son who is 6'2" tall and weighs
::: 150 pounds. With him, it's genetic! He can eat anything he wants
::: and not gain weight ( and he wants to gain weight). Me, on the
::: other hand....I can sniff a bag of Fig Newton's and gain 10 pounds.
::
::
:: It is the same with my son who is just 12, and 5'5" and weighs 110
:: pounds. While he can eat all he wants now that he is young and
:: growing, I don't think it will be so smooth sailing with him when he
:: is older and not so active. I have read so many real accounts of
:: Americans who are so, so slim whhen young and boom, it is so
:: different when they get to work, grow older, grow inactive...

Yes, we do tend to have this happen.....eating too much and moving too
little is the basic problem....and eating too many carbs is the what drives
eating too much, which is what drives the weight gain when being inactive.

::
:: I think it is important to start eating healthily when young, so it
:: becomes a lifestyle.

I agree....as long as you can figure out what eating healthily means.
::
:: http://www.lowcarblowfathighfibrehig...n.blogspot.com

On May 3, 5:08 pm, "Roger Zoul" wrote:


Nothing wrong with losing weight and stuff....but please don't talk as if
all sknny people are healthy...you make it sound as if all one needs to do
is be slim to be health and that having any extra fat on your body makes you
not heathly. Fatness isn't the root cause of unhealthiness.

You sound as a shill for something...perhaps your blog...

There is of course nothing wrong in having some fats on a body.
Again, to each his own.
But when you eat healthily, you tend not to be fat.
Although I weigh 49kg, I am not Skinny. Look at my pics in my blog.
But when you are slim enough and healthy enough, it is time to stop
losing. Don't you agree?



The notion that good health comes from food is starting to be questioned
anyway...and natural foods can be anything but healthy.

Good health comes from food, exercise and lifestyle. Basically, it is
still what we put into our body.



Finally, low fat and low carb, high fiber and high protein? Are you the most
bored person on the planet? How long have you been eating this kind of
diet? Sounds as if you slap a slab of chicken breast between two peices of
wood. Yuck!

You can keep that......

Looks like you didn't read my blog. Look especially at the recipes.
Won Ton Soup, Crispy Chickken, Stir Fried Beans with Cashews, Oats
Cookies...
Hmm... you don't know how well I am eating.

I agree....as long as you can figure out what eating healthily means.

Many people would agree with that. But it is not easy to eat
healthily even if you want to.

Yes, do read my blog if you are interested. It is free, anyway. It
is my way to tell mainly Asians how to be healthy on Low Carb, Low
Fat, High Fibre, High Protein. But my reading tells me that Americans
eat too little fibre. Don't just go low carb, eat your meat and
vegetables.
Happy eating and don't forget to exercise.


http://www.lowcarblowfathighfibrehig...n.blogspot.com

XiaoZhen wrote:
:: On May 3, 5:08 pm, "Roger Zoul" wrote:
::
:::
::: Nothing wrong with losing weight and stuff....but please don't talk
::: as if all sknny people are healthy...you make it sound as if all
::: one needs to do is be slim to be health and that having any extra
::: fat on your body makes you not heathly. Fatness isn't the root
::: cause of unhealthiness.
:::
::: You sound as a shill for something...perhaps your blog...
::
:: There is of course nothing wrong in having some fats on a body.
:: Again, to each his own.
:: But when you eat healthily, you tend not to be fat.

I'm not sure what this means. Are you saying if you eat "healthy" food, you
tend not to be fat? Or, are you saying something else?

:: Although I weigh 49kg, I am not Skinny. Look at my pics in my blog.
:: But when you are slim enough and healthy enough, it is time to stop
:: losing. Don't you agree?

Sure, except that being slim doesn't imply one is healthy. There are plenty
of unhealthy slim people, so we need to keep that in mind. Yes, being too
overweight can result in becoming unhealthy, but it's usually due to other
reasons beyond just being fat. Also, there is a quality of life issue that
is impacte by being overweight, but that is an "in the eye of the beholder"
matter.

::
::
:::
::: The notion that good health comes from food is starting to be
::: questioned anyway...and natural foods can be anything but healthy.
::
:: Good health comes from food, exercise and lifestyle. Basically, it
:: is still what we put into our body.

We hope that's the case. But I think there are people who do everything
"right" and still don't have good health. Also, I think you'll find it
really hard to prove anything about what "eating healthy" really means and
how anything really affects our bodies.

::
::
:::
::: Finally, low fat and low carb, high fiber and high protein? Are you
::: the most bored person on the planet? How long have you been eating
::: this kind of diet? Sounds as if you slap a slab of chicken breast
::: between two peices of wood. Yuck!
:::
::: You can keep that......
::
:: Looks like you didn't read my blog.

No, I didn't read your blog. I was put off my your "low carb, low fat, high
fiber, high protein" nonsense. I didn't see any reason to read it after
seeing that.

Look especially at the recipes.
:: Won Ton Soup, Crispy Chickken, Stir Fried Beans with Cashews, Oats
:: Cookies...
:: Hmm... you don't know how well I am eating.

Ok...good for you!

::
::: I agree....as long as you can figure out what eating healthily
::: means.
::
:: Many people would agree with that. But it is not easy to eat
:: healthily even if you want to.

Right.

::
:: Yes, do read my blog if you are interested. It is free, anyway. It
:: is my way to tell mainly Asians how to be healthy on Low Carb, Low
:: Fat, High Fibre, High Protein.

Good luck with that!


But my reading tells me that
:: Americans eat too little fibre.

Generally that is true, except that some wonder if fiber is really as
important as it's made out to be....

Don't just go low carb, eat your
:: meat and vegetables.
:: Happy eating and don't forget to exercise.
::

Well, I won't argue with that advice! Good for you!

::
:: http://www.lowcarblowfathighfibrehig...n.blogspot.com

~ sigh! ~

On May 3, 2:58 am, XiaoZhen wrote:
On May 2, 8:28 pm, "
wrote:





On May 1, 11:52 pm, XiaoZhen wrote:

On May 2, 12:57 am, Aaron Baugher wrote:

XiaoZhen writes:
What you have to do is follow a lifestyle that includes healthy and
natural food and some exercise. Healthy and natural food emcompasses
many, many foods. So it is actually quite simple to pick those foods
you like from this range. Some needs getting used to.
For example, if you are reducing your sugar intake, (which is fabulous
for losing weight and improving health), just start with a little less
sugar everytime. Sooner or later, you will find that a little sugar
actually tastes sweet to you and wonder why you could consume so much
in the past.

If it's all so simple, why are so many people fat? Personally, like
many others
I have found that if I tried to gradually reduce my sugar from the
level of the
typical American diet, I'd have cravings and be hungry most of the
time. And
that's one big reason it isn't simple and doesn't work.

Cutting any type of favourite food is not at all simple. In reducing
sugar intake, you can find substitutes.

The issue is not a favorite food. The issue is biological. Sugar
triggers an insulin response which then leads to an increase in
appetite and cravings. You acknowledge this on your website, where
you talk about the insulin response. As Aaron said, if many people
try to cut their carb intake from 300g to 150g/day, it is almost
impossible to do because they will be hungry most of the time. Cut
the carbs down to a very low level, like 20g and work your way slowly
higher, as per ATkins, and the hunger goes away.





Some people go for artifical
sweeteners, which I think is chemical. I find healthy substitutes
like non starchy fruits and some low fat yoghurts and dark
chocolates. At least while taking in the sugar, there's something
good there.



Now I'm really confused. A starchy fruit is out, but a low fat
yogurt with sugar is OK? And chocolate? Either chocolate has
artificial sweetners, which you seem to be against, or else it has to
have sugar to be edible. So, what exactly have you accomplished with
these substitutions? None of this sounds LC to me. In fact, most of
it sounds like it's making up rules as you go along. For example, on
your website on how to start, you say no more sweets, yet above you
say chocolate is OK. You also say on the website not to eat "too
many fat-free carbs or too many calories at one meal." What exactly
are "fat-free carbs"? Does this mean if I have a bowl of Ben and
Jerry's ice cream, the sugar is OK and consistent with LC? Or other
vague advice like "Keep your protein intake to match your energy
needs." What exactly does that mean and how do you do it? How
about: "Reduce intake of fruit juices" So, a starchy fruit is out,
but fruit juice is still OK and LC? And if I take a look at the
sample day's menu, the most striking thing is it's very low calorie
and low fat.


Eat lean meat and lots of fibre to stop those cravings. It did for
me, and I don't even have to take much protein.

Eating meat and fiber can certainly help with satiation. However,
fat is one of the most important elements in satiation, which is one
of the reasons LC works. And again, I'm left confused, because you
say lean meat, then that you don't have to take much protein. If the
meat doesn't have much fat, what's left but protein? I guess that's
why the diet is so low calorie.

Overall, IMO, your diet advice would best be characterized as low
calorie, low fat, reduced carb. And even then it's not consistent.

Whoa! Stop right there. I have a son who is 6'2" tall and weighs 150
pounds.
With him, it's genetic! He can eat anything he wants and not gain weight (
and he wants to gain weight). Me, on the other hand....I can sniff a bag
of
Fig Newton's and gain 10 pounds.


It is the same with my son who is just 12, and 5'5" and weighs 110
pounds. While he can eat all he wants now that he is young and
growing, I don't think it will be so smooth sailing with him when he
is older and not so active. I have read so many real accounts of
Americans who are so, so slim whhen young and boom, it is so different
when they get to work, grow older, grow inactive...

Another whoa! Why are you assuming all Americans grow inactive as they get
older? Stop with the stereotypes--those things can come back to bite you.

Pat in TX

Roger, I swear, if you don't learn to snip extraneous matter, I am gonna
come to South Cackalacky and whomp you upside your head!

Pat in TX

Pat wrote:
:: Roger, I swear, if you don't learn to snip extraneous matter, I am
:: gonna come to South Cackalacky and whomp you upside your head!
::
:: Pat in TX



Which post are you referring to? Surely not the last one I made to
XiaoZhen. That's valid posting, man. If you expect more than that, I offer
to put you up in my house when you come. Then, we'll go outside and I'll
give you a good southern style ass-kicking. Then we can go ride!

Pat wrote:
::
:: I'm referring to the one where you ended with "you can keep that."
:: Sheesh!

But you've got to make it clear and if you snip too much, it isn't.

Besides....in some ng posters don't snip at all....

:: Roger, I swear, if you don't learn to snip extraneous matter, I am
:: gonna come to South Cackalacky and whomp you upside your head!
::
:: Pat in TX



Which post are you referring to? Surely not the last one I made to
XiaoZhen. That's valid posting, man. If you expect more than that, I
offer to put you up in my house when you come. Then, we'll go outside and
I'll give you a good southern style ass-kicking. Then we can go ride!

I'm referring to the one where you ended with "you can keep that." Sheesh!

Pat in TX (which was some kind of southern style the last time I heard)

Roger Zoul wrote in message ...

Besides....in some ng posters don't snip at all....

You noticed that huh? LOL

Cheri