Type II diabetes, low carb (Atkins) and insulin levels..

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| revek wrote:
||| Very sad how all the Eskimos died off because they didn't get their
||| five fruits a day.
And the Masai, and the South American Gouchos. Yes, very sad indeed.


Dolkian wrote:
| Ssorry to hear they all passed. Where do you think they got their
| vitamin C

corrected Dork-ian's ignorant top post

They purchased Atkins Nutritional Supplements online of course!
--
Peter
270/215/180
Before/Current Pix:
http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html

"Dolkian" wrote in message
...
Metabolic Effects of High Protein, Low Carbohydrate Diets
Denke M
The American Journal of Cardiology V 88 July 1, 2001
http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~exs150-p/150HOhighprotein.pdf

Metabolic Consequences of a High Dietary-Protein Intake in
Adulthood: Assessment of the Available Evidence
Cornelia C. Metges1 and Christian A. Barth
Journal of Nutrition. 2000;130:886-889
http://www.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/130/4/886
See table 1 in this paper.

Both the studies you cite are several years old. The first occupies three
pages of The American Journal of Cardiology, and clearly printed on the
bottom of the third page is the world EDITORIAL.

You remind me of a quote I read once... "He uses statistics as a drunkard
uses a lamppost, for support rather than illumination."

This newsgroup is for the support of low carb diets. I believe the name
clearly states that. Yet you continuously post false and ambiguous
statements against such a lifestyle, and then manage to dredge up two
articles in criticism of it. You contribute nothing of value to people who
are here for discussion and support for this lifestyle, not to debate its
merits.

I don't know what you hope to gain by your posts. Everyone here is
perfectly capable of reading, studying, and reaching conclusions about
something that amounts to a personal choice. You will not sway the opinion
of a single one, but you will (and do) manage to generate quite a bit of
dislike towards you and your blatant attempts to discredit, apparently at
any cost, a lifestyle that frankly is not your business if you don't like
it.

I'm normally a person of great patience, but when it runs out, it runs out.
I tire of your half-truths, taunts, and innuendos, so I'm doing something
that I never really do here or anywhere else.

I believe the correct word is *plonk*.

On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:24:19 -0500, "revek" wrote:


He's a protien phobe. And a moron.

If he doesn't include the amino acids in supplements in his protein
consumption count, I have to agree with you.

Guess you can just kiss your kidneys goodbye..

Luna wrote:

Oh, right, because in the magical kingdom of Dolklandia zucchini has no
carbs, unlike the real world the rest of us live in. And somehow there is
some kind of magic that by _adding_ carbohydrates it somehow cancels out
the protein. I don't need to eat any more carbohydrates, because I ate way
too many in the first 27 years of my life, while not eating enough protein.
So the carbs I ate before balance out the protein I'm eating now! Magic!

In article , Dolkian
wrote:


You had no carbs to balance it and fish is high protein. Why not
substitute Tofu. Lower protein intake. You can also get low protein
rice that is very good.

Jennifer wrote:


My friend and I went out to lunch today.

We both ordered the salmon (really good with miso and ginger).

It came with roasted potatoes and julienned zucchini.

I asked to sub in extra zucchini for the potatoes.

We both had the same grams of protein. But I ate low carb.

How is that "high protein"?

Jennifer


Dolkian wrote:


Anyone who eats LC is on a high protein diet.

LCer09 wrote:


Metabolic Effects of High Protein, Low Carbohydrate Diets




How many here are on a high protein diet? Anybody?...anybody?

LCing since 12/01/03-
Me- 5'7" 265/195/140
& hubby- 6' 310/208/180
http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lcer09/my_photos

Invectives don't win you anything.

revek wrote:

"Luna" wrote in message
...

Oh, right, because in the magical kingdom of Dolklandia zucchini has no
carbs, unlike the real world the rest of us live in. And somehow there is
some kind of magic that by _adding_ carbohydrates it somehow cancels out
the protein. I don't need to eat any more carbohydrates, because I ate

way

too many in the first 27 years of my life, while not eating enough

protein.

So the carbs I ate before balance out the protein I'm eating now! Magic!


He's a protien phobe. And a moron.

revek

Everything is counted, weighed and measured and heated only to
certain temps.

Robert Kluge wrote:

On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:24:19 -0500, "revek" wrote:



He's a protien phobe. And a moron.


If he doesn't include the amino acids in supplements in his protein
consumption count, I have to agree with you.

I have recently undergone a stress test (cardio) and all the results
were perfect as were all my enzymens. As a participant in a study this
was part of the whole run.

revek wrote:

"Robert Klute" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:24:19 -0500, "revek" wrote:



He's a protien phobe. And a moron.

If he doesn't include the amino acids in supplements in his protein
consumption count, I have to agree with you.


He claims to take amino supplements. But from the content of his posts, I'd
have to say they are either very low quality, or not near enough. (Witness
his claim that if our ancestors ate mainly meat we'd have died out from
being trampled by wandering herds--and get this-- he prefers tofu over fish
as a protien source because it's *lower* in protien. How stupid is that I
ask?) And he probably has still damaged his heart. You need a *complete*
protien for muscle building, retention, and *repair*. 15g a day is not
enough for an adult.

revek

"Aolkian" wrote in message
...
Invectives don't win you anything.

I bet you had to look that up in the dictionary.

Here's a clue. I'm already a winner. You are not.

revek

They had a resouce and evidently you don't know what it is.

marengo wrote:

|
| revek wrote:
||| Very sad how all the Eskimos died off because they didn't get their
||| five fruits a day.
And the Masai, and the South American Gouchos. Yes, very sad indeed.


Dolkian wrote:
| Ssorry to hear they all passed. Where do you think they got their
| vitamin C

corrected Dork-ian's ignorant top post

They purchased Atkins Nutritional Supplements online of course!

I too am a persont of great patients.

Jim Bard wrote:

"Dolkian" wrote in message
...

Metabolic Effects of High Protein, Low Carbohydrate Diets
Denke M
The American Journal of Cardiology V 88 July 1, 2001
http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~exs150-p/150HOhighprotein.pdf

Metabolic Consequences of a High Dietary-Protein Intake in
Adulthood: Assessment of the Available Evidence
Cornelia C. Metges1 and Christian A. Barth
Journal of Nutrition. 2000;130:886-889
http://www.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/130/4/886
See table 1 in this paper.


Both the studies you cite are several years old. The first occupies three
pages of The American Journal of Cardiology, and clearly printed on the
bottom of the third page is the world EDITORIAL.

You remind me of a quote I read once... "He uses statistics as a drunkard
uses a lamppost, for support rather than illumination."

This newsgroup is for the support of low carb diets. I believe the name
clearly states that. Yet you continuously post false and ambiguous
statements against such a lifestyle, and then manage to dredge up two
articles in criticism of it. You contribute nothing of value to people who
are here for discussion and support for this lifestyle, not to debate its
merits.

I don't know what you hope to gain by your posts. Everyone here is
perfectly capable of reading, studying, and reaching conclusions about
something that amounts to a personal choice. You will not sway the opinion
of a single one, but you will (and do) manage to generate quite a bit of
dislike towards you and your blatant attempts to discredit, apparently at
any cost, a lifestyle that frankly is not your business if you don't like
it.

I'm normally a person of great patience, but when it runs out, it runs out.
I tire of your half-truths, taunts, and innuendos, so I'm doing something
that I never really do here or anywhere else.

I believe the correct word is *plonk*.