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WARNING: Industry Seeks to Impact the Public Discourse on Matters of Public Health On Usenet (updates to item #3 and other text)
In misc.health.alternative PeterB wrote:
As I pointed out in my previous post, PeterB spent 927 lines reposting an earlier post of his without adding any new material or responding to any of my comments. By his arguments, that must mean that he cannot respond to them. Since 927 lines of even moderately interesting text would try the patience of most people, I am not going to repost all of my responses, which can already be read in the response that I posted yesterday. But I do want to thank PeterB for giving me the opportunity to highlight two of his comments that may have been buried too deeply for most readers to have found. : Internal bleeding is a disease response unless a person is undergoing : surgery. If I'm wrong, name a bleeding disorder that is not : classified as a disease. I have already pointed out that nosebleeds are not normally classified as a disease (although they can be a symptom of one). While it's not a "disorder," menstruation is another obvious example of bleeding that is not in any sense a disease response. : Schutlzie, it may bother you that people die when mixing alcohol with : Kava, but that does mean Kava was the cause of death. I wonder how PeterB's sponsors will react when they find out that he has come right out and said that if someone dies from taking kava mixed with alcohol, it is the kava that is responsible. ----- Richard Schultz Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "Gentlemen, Ciccolini here may look like an idiot, and talk like an idiot, but don't let that fool you -- he really is an idiot." |
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WARNING: Industry Seeks to Impact the Public Discourse on Matters of Public Health On Usenet (updates to item #3 and other text)
On Apr 11, 2:05 am, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
In misc.health.alternative PeterB wrote: As I pointed out in my previous post, PeterB spent 927 lines reposting an earlier post of his without adding any new material or responding to any of my comments. Schultzie is telling us he has the right to eliminate material he prefer readers not see, since his argument (whatever it is) can't stand on its own. I agree with Schultzie that his argument doesn't stand on its own, however it is up to readers, not posters, to decide what constitutes an effective response. If anyone disagrees with this other than Schultzie, please post your reasons why you think so. I would love to hear the rationale behind the deletion of a person's response to the same question earlier. By his arguments, that must mean that he cannot respond to them. By my argument, a rebuttal is a response, and I have consistently rebutted your unsupported opinions. Intellectual honesty requires that you encourage readers to make up their own mind about both the content of your posts and the positions of others, however stated. Deleting large portions of my posts as you have done on many occasions only reinforces my assertion that you are here on behalf of industry for the purpose of protecting their interests. Since 927 lines of even moderately interesting text would try the patience of most people, I am not going to repost all of my responses, which can already be read in the response that I posted yesterday. Wiping out whole sections of text you find inconvenient only proves you are a fraud and a con. But I do want to thank PeterB for giving me the opportunity to highlight two of his comments that may have been buried too deeply for most readers to have found. : Internal bleeding is a disease response unless a person is undergoing : surgery. If I'm wrong, name a bleeding disorder that is not : classified as a disease. I have already pointed out that nosebleeds are not normally classified as a disease (although they can be a symptom of one). Nosebleeds are often a symptom of poor tissue integrity, which can be cured with adequate intake of vitamin C and bioflavonoids. When sailors used to get scurvy, they bled to death from the inside out. My mother was at times an acute nose bleeder and had to be taken to the hospital, carrying a towel fully soaked in blood. The nutrient remedy permanently cured her condition and her last nosebleed was many years ago. While it's not a "disorder," menstruation is another obvious example of bleeding that is not in any sense a disease response. Since I said you should name a bleeding *disorder* that is not considered a disease, menstruation is not a valid response. : Schutlzie, it may bother you that people die when mixing alcohol with : Kava, but that does [not] mean Kava was the cause of death. I wonder how PeterB's sponsors will react when they find out that he has come right out and said that if someone dies from taking kava mixed with alcohol, it is the kava that is responsible. Anyone who reads the original comment (which I corrected above) can see it was intended to make the opposite point. Unlike your freudian reference to you having a "diseased mind" while engaging in a person attack of another poster, which says a great deal about you. PeterB |
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WARNING: Industry Seeks to Impact the Public Discourse on Matters of Public Health On Usenet (updates to item #3 and other text)
In misc.health.alternative PeterB wrote:
: : Internal bleeding is a disease response unless a person is undergoing : : surgery. If I'm wrong, name a bleeding disorder that is not : : classified as a disease. : : I have already pointed out that nosebleeds are not normally classified as : a disease (although they can be a symptom of one). : : Nosebleeds are often a symptom of poor tissue integrity, which can be : cured with adequate intake of vitamin C and bioflavonoids. Nosebleeds can be -- but do not have to be -- a *symptom* of a disease. Nosebleeds per se are not, to my knowledge, *classified* as a disease. : Since I said you should name a bleeding *disorder* that is not : considered a disease, menstruation is not a valid response. Contusions and hematomas are examples of internal bleeding that are not considered diseases. : : Schutlzie, it may bother you that people die when mixing alcohol with : : Kava, but that does [not] mean Kava was the cause of death. : I wonder how PeterB's sponsors will react when they find out that he has : come right out and said that if someone dies from taking kava mixed with : alcohol, it is the kava that is responsible. : Anyone who reads the original comment (which I corrected above) can : see it was intended to make the opposite point. I will do precisely what you do in such circumstances: I will claim that it is a "Freudian slip" that should be taken to mean exactly what it says. Your sponsors will be pleased with that, I think. ----- Richard Schultz Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "I love people. But I don't suffer fools gladly." -- Deborah Lipstadt |
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WARNING: Industry Seeks to Impact the Public Discourse on Matters of Public Health On Usenet (updates to item #3 and other text)
On Apr 12, 1:11 am, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
In misc.health.alternative PeterB wrote: : : Internal bleeding is a disease response unless a person is undergoing : : surgery. If I'm wrong, name a bleeding disorder that is not : : classified as a disease. : : I have already pointed out that nosebleeds are not normally classified as : a disease (although they can be a symptom of one). : : Nosebleeds are often a symptom of poor tissue integrity, which can be : cured with adequate intake of vitamin C and bioflavonoids. Nosebleeds can be -- but do not have to be -- a *symptom* of a disease. Nosebleeds per se are not, to my knowledge, *classified* as a disease. I see you still take the liberty of deleting portions of my earlier response, meaning your sponsors are bothered with accounts of people being cured of their conditions using natural medicine. You've become 100% predictable, Schultzie. : Since I said you should name a bleeding *disorder* that is not : considered a disease, menstruation is not a valid response. Contusions and hematomas are examples of internal bleeding that are not considered diseases. I already explained that use of the word "disease" is predicated on the nature of causation. If a hematoma results from injury, its effects may yet be identical to pathology resulting from genetic or chemical causes. Thus, our use of language in such cases is arbitrary. Illness resulting from exposure to drugs is no less a disease response than illness resulting from exposure to a chemical in the workplace. Your use of the semantic argument does not counter the evidence. When HRT elevates the risk of breast cancer, or when aspirin elevates the risk of gastrointestinal tract complications, these drugs are a trigger for disease. The ill effects of any drug are therefore a trigger in disease. Cue Schultzie to delete portions of this comment in an effort to defend his sponsors' dangerous products. : : Schutlzie, it may bother you that people die when mixing alcohol with : : Kava, but that does [not] mean Kava was the cause of death. : I wonder how PeterB's sponsors will react when they find out that he has : come right out and said that if someone dies from taking kava mixed with : alcohol, it is the kava that is responsible. : Anyone who reads the original comment (which I corrected above) can : see it was intended to make the opposite point. I will do precisely what you do in such circumstances: I will claim that it is a "Freudian slip" that should be taken to mean exactly what it says. Your sponsors will be pleased with that, I think. Schultzie, a "freudian slip" is noted by reference to oneself, not a bottle of Kava. When you admitted to having a "diseased mind," that combined with your irrational arguments on behalf of the drug makers is not just "freudian," but "fraudian." You are a fraud and a con, and everyone here knows it. PeterB |
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WARNING: Industry Seeks to Impact the Public Discourse on Matters of Public Health On Usenet (updates to item #3 and other text)
On Apr 12, 1:11 am, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
In misc.health.alternative PeterB wrote: : : Internal bleeding is a disease response unless a person is undergoing : : surgery. If I'm wrong, name a bleeding disorder that is not : : classified as a disease. : : I have already pointed out that nosebleeds are not normally classified as : a disease (although they can be a symptom of one). : : Nosebleeds are often a symptom of poor tissue integrity, which can be : cured with adequate intake of vitamin C and bioflavonoids. Nosebleeds can be -- but do not have to be -- a *symptom* of a disease. Nosebleeds per se are not, to my knowledge, *classified* as a disease. I see you still take the liberty of deleting portions of my earlier response, meaning your sponsors are bothered with accounts of people being cured of their conditions using natural medicine. You've become 100% predictable, Schultzie. : Since I said you should name a bleeding *disorder* that is not : considered a disease, menstruation is not a valid response. Contusions and hematomas are examples of internal bleeding that are not considered diseases. I already explained that use of the word "disease" is predicated on the nature of causation. If a hematoma results from injury, its effects may yet be identical to pathology resulting from genetic or chemical causes. Thus, our use of language in such cases is arbitrary. Illness resulting from exposure to drugs is no less a disease response than illness resulting from exposure to a chemical in the workplace. Your use of the semantic argument does not counter the evidence. When HRT elevates the risk of breast cancer, or when aspirin elevates the risk of gastrointestinal tract complications, these drugs are a trigger for disease. The ill effects of any drug are therefore a trigger in disease. Cue Schultzie to delete portions of this comment in an effort to defend his sponsors' dangerous nostrums. : : Schutlzie, it may bother you that people die when mixing alcohol with : : Kava, but that does [not] mean Kava was the cause of death. : I wonder how PeterB's sponsors will react when they find out that he has : come right out and said that if someone dies from taking kava mixed with : alcohol, it is the kava that is responsible. : Anyone who reads the original comment (which I corrected above) can : see it was intended to make the opposite point. I will do precisely what you do in such circumstances: I will claim that it is a "Freudian slip" that should be taken to mean exactly what it says. Your sponsors will be pleased with that, I think. Schultzie, a "freudian slip" is noted by reference to oneself, not a bottle of Kava. When you admitted to having a "diseased mind," that combined with your irrational arguments on behalf of the drug makers is not just "freudian," but "fraudian." You are a fraud and a con, and everyone here knows it. PeterB |
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