Questions for Atkins....

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 at 10:10:08, Beverly wrote:


Atkins food is readily available in the UK. I imagine it's available in
most countries whether it be via the internet or in local stores.

http://atkins-uk.com/

http://health.theukclassifieds.com/a...diet-food.html


Ah well, you learn something new every day! It probably *is* in the
ready-meal section of our supermarket, then, but I don't go there very
often....
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:10:08 -0400, "Beverly"
wrote:

Atkins food is readily available in the UK. I imagine it's available in
most countries whether it be via the internet or in local stores.

http://atkins-uk.com/

http://health.theukclassifieds.com/a...diet-food.html

I read earlier this week in our national press that we're soon to be
hit by an explosion of low carb products in our mainstream supermarket
chains, who are likely to be getting on the Atkins bandwagon by
introducing their own brands of low carb pasta and other things that
haven't been widely on sale here up to now.

Not such good news for those of us who don't aspire to a low carb WOE,
as presumably the shelf space will be at the cost of other lines -
probably low fat ones.


janice
233/179/133

On 8/11/2004 3:20 PM, janice wrote:

Not such good news for those of us who don't aspire to a low carb WOE,
as presumably the shelf space will be at the cost of other lines -
probably low fat ones.


Yeah, my Stonyfield Farms stuff has been removed from the frozen section
at Harris Teeter to make way for low carb products :-(

--
jmk in NC

On 11 Aug 2004 06:58:59 GMT, jamie wrote:

Doesn't Atkins have a food line for sale?

Atkins Nutritionals Inc. was sold away from Atkins' Center for
Complementary Medicine business some time (IIRC a few years) before
Atkins died, according to one of the interviews with his widow in the
weeks after his death. (The domains, atkins.com and atkinscenter.com,
are registered to Atkins Nutritionals, not to the clinic business.)

It was originally a line of vitamin/mineral/EFA/amino acid combo
supplements when the first New Diet Revolution came out, and the
first food additions were the meal-replacement shakes and bars,
and then the spackling compound they tried to sell as bake mix.
There weren't many foods in the line at all until it exploded with
junkfoods in the last few years, which I expect was after it was sold,
as many are loaded with sugar alcohols, which Atkins said to avoid
in his books.

http://atkins.com/helpatkins/newfaq/...sProducts.html

http://atkins.com/shop/atkins-food-brands/index.html

Carries the Atkins name bet it carries home royalties to the Atkins family.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 05:14:06 -0400, Bob (this one) wrote:

Yes. Pitcher and shortstop. Pretty good, not great. High school
and college. For fun.

You're be the first that ever played "for fun" at that level.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 05:14:06 -0400, Bob (this one) wrote:

Nah. You just hung around with the same sort of humorless people as
yourself. I wasn't trying to be any sort of athlete at any level
beyond *playing* the game.

Playing in college is not being an athlete, Bob? What college was that?
Amherst?

You've heard of *play*. Ran track, too.

Sure; yep, sprinter no doubt.

Chance to play in different settings; run for the pure delight of
running. Pole vault. Play with spears and very heavy balls. Football
was fun. It's all fun when you can run fast, have good balance and
strong kinesthetic sense.

Incorrect; fun and athleticism can be at opposite ends of the spectrum,
Bob. As a pedigree athlete, you should understand that.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 05:14:06 -0400, Bob (this one) wrote:

And I know you claim to have also. When you were still a teenager
drafted by one of the majors. Bwah.

Most high school kids ARE teenagers Bob and a real baseball guy
would know that especially in the 60's when drafting was
supplemental and minors/teenagers made up the most of the baseball
draftees. But, of course, you knew that now, didn't you? Careful
there, Bob, SS, P, C myself and a B/B, T/R.

I'm not a "real baseball guy."

Really? That takes me by surprise.

So when were you drafted?

Asked and answered in my FAQ. Where is revek when you need her, huh?

How come you
never went anywhere with it?

But I did.

Supplemental hardly has the ring of
"majors."

Well, Bob, you don't know doodly parallel squat about that either, do you?

Drafted to what team? For how long?

Asked and answered in my FAQ. Where is revek when you need her, huh? One is
not "drafted to a team", Bob. One is drafted and then a contract is signed
or not, Bob.

And you claim to have been a part owner of a team long since
dead.

Not dead at all, Bob; very much alive and in its third, and best,
"life" there Bob.

Sure. It was called the "Memphis Blues" before it died. Missed a
season, 1976, huh? Sure looks like it's dead when that happens.

Nope, you missed the read, Bob, E Pastorio.

But
wait... then the Memphis Chicks (you gotta be kidding!) were born...

Reborn, Bob, Reborn.

Chicks; how fierce a name is that? Instead of Grrrrr, they say Cheep,
cheep... Ok, it was short for Chickasaws. Who names a team that, local
indians or not?

People with money and brains, Bob, who know how to market, Bob.

Now, there's a team called the Memphis Redbirds. I can see how you'd
want that stop-start stuff to be a "third life" instead of a series of
failures. All successful teams change their names, right?

Damn near, Bob, damn near.

You know, blowhole, if you'd just settle down into your real
accomplishments instead of trying to make yourself some sort of
swaggering superhero, it would all go down better.

Why, thank you for the advice, Bob, and I understand you have difficulty
believing that there is life outside of food and TROLLING Usenet but, Bob,
many of us have had rather diverse and rewarding lives.....and no cardiac
rehab issues either. I believe what bothers you, Bob, is that your life,
simple then and simpler now, has had about as much excitement in it as a
roll of dough, Bob. Those that have ventured out, taken risk, enjoyed
success and report it, as my life has been a series of gifts given to me by
God, rub you the wrong way. perhaps make you feel inferior or less than
worthful. maybe you are.

Truth is, there's that word, Bob, truth, truth is I support everything I
say with my history. Several who read this know me personally and know that
I am exactly what I say that I am. They could easily step up and repudiate
but they don't because there is nothing to repudiate.

Here's the real kicker, Bob. As many things that are said, many more are
are left unsaid.

You'd get some
respect, for a change. Why exactly you have to do this compulsive
bragging and vituperative attacks is puzzling.

You asked, I answered; you challenged, I nailed you in the head. No one
forces you to read what I write but you spend hours upon hours doing so.

Why is that, Bob?

It appears that you
actually do know something about strength training,

No, much more than something, Bob, much more.

but instead of
engaging people with your strengths, you sneer, scorn and mock, and
insist on stamping around in areas where you clearly don't know your
way.

Interesting; that is a rather perfect description of you on
sci.med.cardiology, Bob.

And you do virtually nothing else here. Different persona in
other groups to go with other anonymous names.

Only anonymous to those who I don't care to know, Bob.

A baseball guy would know that the minor leagues are an ever
evolving sport team concept, Bob.

Oh, bull****. Minor leagues are a business like all paid sports are.

But then you're not a baseball guy even though you like to use baseball
metaphors as if you know what they mean, Bob.

We actually played REAL baseball and it wasn't for funsies like
yours, Bob. Real, in the heat, 100 plus games every summer, Bob.

Terrific. What you wanted, obviously. I worked for money in high
school when I could. Summer was prime time for making money and
behaving badly.

Worked from 6AM to 4PM June thru August, Bob, in a warehouse toting 50
pound boxes of paper right up the street from Sun Studios, Bob.

Now, Bob, what have you done with the gift of baseball that God
gave you?

I put it aside with the other pursuits of childhood, as the bible advises.

Not my Bible; mine says that we should make the most of each of our
talents, Bob. Each one is a gift. You throw them away; including the most
important one, the gift of life given to you most recently.

Me, Bob, I guess I'll just take advantage of my time back home and
the gift of baseball that I have been given and go call a few dozen
ball games. Ages 9 - 69.

See. You are capable of thinking of something beyond yourself. It's a
wonderful thing seeing you at least talking about doing *something*
constructive.

Oh, Bob, again, those who know me know; those who don't, criticize.

But it's a bit of a stretch to call being an umpire as
having "the gift of baseball" unless it merely means being in the same
place with it.

So little you know about a game you played in college, Bob. Amazing.

As my dear and now departed friend Mel Siff would have said...

Over to you!!!

Got it, Mike.

Roose to you, Bob, Roose to you.

Going on any cruises any time soon?

Just got back from one. On the Euphrates River.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:48:51 -0400, marengo wrote:

He's not really a Christian; if he were he wouldn't break rules by
crossposting in order to annoy people who have no desire to read his crap.

Crossposting is against Christian principles? Imagine that. I never knew.

hehe

Bob (this one) wrote:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Bob (this one) wrote:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

pam_in_sc wrote:

Chrissy Cruiser wrote:

Ask them why it is that NIH studies show that Atkins dieters have a failure
rate of 95% within two years. And how can they justify promoting such a
catastrophic failure of a diet when the large majority of those failures
regain MORE weight than when they began Atkins. Contributing heavily to a
human health merry-go-round of endemic proportions.

95% and more weight regained is the failure rate for all diets

Correction: This is the failure rate of the diets that were part of the cited NIH
study.

Fwiw, the 2PD Approach was *not* part of the cited study.

Anybody want to field this slow grounder... LOL

When the aim is true and the feet are swift with God-righteousness, that
slow grounder is a home run.

Oh, look. Chung has replied to one of my posts.

You remind me of a dog that wags his tail expectantly for his master's
attention.

May you choose to look that way toward Christ and receive the blessings
He has stored up for you.

Guess that big flounce
about "I don't find anything worth reading in Bob's posts" thing he
did a while back is no longer in effect.

That depends on what you write.

Pity he wasted his big entrance on such a silly trifle.

The truth is not a silly trifle.

Particularly
since it's linguistically, logically, figuratively and literally such
patent nonsense.

Identity expresses identity. A slow grounder is a slow grounder. Shame
about the apparently desperate need for convoluted, smug
self-congratulation.

Sorry my simple comment bothered you enough to devote several lines in
your attempt to refute it.

The very real fact is that the 2PD isn't part of any study

No kidding.

and isn't
likely to be unless Chung does it,

That remains to be seen.


pays for it

Why would I pay to prove an invention that I am giving away freely?


or otherwise prompts
it.

It is not clear to me what you mean by "prompts." Perhaps you are
referring to the following:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/press.asp


It controls for a meaningless variable - that, over time, isn't
even controlled, by his own explanation. After a while, you can eye
what your meal should look like, he says. That has only the remotest
possibility of working, if and only if, all your food is in a pile in
front of you at once. Otherwise, you have to remember or log
everything you eat all day. Or you're not doing his "plan" and
adhering to 2 pounds a day. If all he means is "if you're fat, eat
less" it's distantly on the right track, but inadequate for any
lasting effect because of its indeterminacy.

Sorry the 2PD Approach bothers you so much.

Bob

You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor.

May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too will have eternal life and the unimaginable riches of His
everlasting kingdom.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Bob (this one) wrote:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Bob (this one) wrote:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Fwiw, the 2PD Approach was *not* part of the cited study.

Anybody want to field this slow grounder... LOL

When the aim is true and the feet are swift with
God-righteousness, that slow grounder is a home run.

Oh, look. Chung has replied to one of my posts.

Guess that big flounce about "I don't find anything worth
reading in Bob's posts" thing he did a while back is no longer in
effect.

That depends on what you write.

LOL I see. When I write about science, medicine, social issues,
international conditions, you have nothing to say. When I point out
your nano-deep thinking, then it's worth a reply? But only after
waiting for months not noticing anything?

Pity he wasted his big entrance on such a silly trifle.

The truth is not a silly trifle.

Usually. But this reply of yours is.

Particularly since it's linguistically, logically, figuratively
and literally such patent nonsense.

Identity expresses identity. A slow grounder is a slow grounder.
Shame about the apparently desperate need for convoluted, smug
self-congratulation.

Sorry my simple comment bothered you enough to devote several lines
in your attempt to refute it.

Go look up "refute." We'll all wait. Oh, jeez. It's gonna be another
4000 calorie bread fiasco where he can't grasp the idea that smart
people have actually thought of it before he did and they were
scientists, by contrast.

Interesting index you have for what "bothers" me. Actually, it was so
extremely silly and superficial that I thought a little writing fun
was in order. You're back to your abusive, fallacious self and I
thought we could have some fun together, what with you posting
nonsense and me poking fun at it. What a team we are.

The very real fact is that the 2PD isn't part of any study

No kidding.

LOL No kidding, indeed.

and isn't likely to be unless Chung does it,

That remains to be seen.

Duh.

pays for it

Why would I pay to prove an invention that I am giving away freely?

Who knows why you do most of the things you do? In this case, probably
for the sheer egotism of it all. It's one of your most endearing
attributes, your overweening egotism.

or otherwise prompts it.

It is not clear to me what you mean by "prompts." Perhaps you are
referring to the following:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/press.asp

Hilarious. And so "humble." Not a bit of egotism there, huh, Sparky?
You really ought to hire a writer who could make it flow better and
not sound quite so self-approving.

It controls for a meaningless variable - that, over time, isn't
even controlled, by his own explanation. After a while, you can
eye what your meal should look like, he says. That has only the
remotest possibility of working, if and only if, all your food is
in a pile in front of you at once. Otherwise, you have to
remember or log everything you eat all day. Or you're not doing
his "plan" and adhering to 2 pounds a day. If all he means is "if
you're fat, eat less" it's distantly on the right track, but
inadequate for any lasting effect because of its indeterminacy.

Sorry the 2PD Approach bothers you so much.

The approach is merely silly and so full of logical and scientific
holes that a short paragraph is enough to dismiss it. The really
bizarre part is about the perfervid energy you put into selling your
"brilliant" idea, based on a flawed premise, from a movie you
misunderstood. That rewarding ego stroke from the boast is a kind of
currency that all other excessive egotists like, too.

I like how you didn't give the governor any data, either, just like
when you post here. When I think of scientist, I sure do think of you.
Oh, and Barney the big purple dinosaur. Together. Doing science. I bet
the governor makes the 2PD mandatory and everybody in Georgia turns
out to be all skinny and perfect.

No, seriously...

Bob

Bob (this one) wrote:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Bob (this one) wrote:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Bob (this one) wrote:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Fwiw, the 2PD Approach was *not* part of the cited study.

Anybody want to field this slow grounder... LOL

When the aim is true and the feet are swift with
God-righteousness, that slow grounder is a home run.

Oh, look. Chung has replied to one of my posts.

Guess that big flounce about "I don't find anything worth
reading in Bob's posts" thing he did a while back is no longer in
effect.

That depends on what you write.

LOL I see. When I write about science, medicine, social issues,
international conditions, you have nothing to say.

I had nothing to add to your obsessions about food.

When I point out
your nano-deep thinking, then it's worth a reply?

No.

But only after
waiting for months not noticing anything?

See above.

Pity he wasted his big entrance on such a silly trifle.

The truth is not a silly trifle.

Usually. But this reply of yours is.

Sorry it bothered you so much.


Particularly since it's linguistically, logically, figuratively
and literally such patent nonsense.

Identity expresses identity. A slow grounder is a slow grounder.
Shame about the apparently desperate need for convoluted, smug
self-congratulation.

Sorry my simple comment bothered you enough to devote several lines
in your attempt to refute it.

Go look up "refute." We'll all wait. Oh, jeez. It's gonna be another
4000 calorie bread fiasco where he can't grasp the idea that smart
people have actually thought of it before he did and they were
scientists, by contrast.

It seems you have been eating several pounds of bread with those
mushrooms. Is it any wonder you have not lost weight?

Would suggest you try the estimate of 4000 cals per 2 lbs of bread
instead.

Interesting index you have for what "bothers" me. Actually, it was so
extremely silly and superficial that I thought a little writing fun
was in order. You're back to your abusive, fallacious self and I
thought we could have some fun together, what with you posting
nonsense and me poking fun at it. What a team we are.

In a word, delusion.

The very real fact is that the 2PD isn't part of any study

No kidding.

LOL No kidding, indeed.

Another epitaph you could use on your grave stone.

and isn't likely to be unless Chung does it,

That remains to be seen.

Duh.

And yet another.

pays for it

Why would I pay to prove an invention that I am giving away freely?

Who knows why you do most of the things you do?

God does.


In this case, probably
for the sheer egotism of it all.

It seems that you are speaking for yourself being that you are a godless
person who worships food and only has self (stomach).

It's one of your most endearing

That latter word (used by me to describe the stream of profane insults
that you threw an another) seems to have pierced your heart. Sorry
about the pain you have with the truth.

attributes, your overweening egotism.

That would be difficult for a "hollow man."

or otherwise prompts it.

It is not clear to me what you mean by "prompts." Perhaps you are
referring to the following:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/press.asp

Hilarious. And so "humble." Not a bit of egotism there, huh, Sparky?

No.


You really ought to hire a writer who could make it flow better and
not sound quite so self-approving.

Sorry the language bothers you.


It controls for a meaningless variable - that, over time, isn't
even controlled, by his own explanation. After a while, you can
eye what your meal should look like, he says. That has only the
remotest possibility of working, if and only if, all your food is
in a pile in front of you at once. Otherwise, you have to
remember or log everything you eat all day. Or you're not doing
his "plan" and adhering to 2 pounds a day. If all he means is "if
you're fat, eat less" it's distantly on the right track, but
inadequate for any lasting effect because of its indeterminacy.

Sorry the 2PD Approach bothers you so much.

The approach is merely silly and so full of logical and scientific
holes that a short paragraph is enough to dismiss it. The really
bizarre part is about the perfervid energy you put into selling your
"brilliant" idea, based on a flawed premise, from a movie you
misunderstood.

It would seem that you would have discouraged the inventor of the wheel
by saying he misunderstood the boulders rolling down a mountainside.

Good thing the inventor of the wheel did not listen to folks like you
and proceeded to share rather than sell his "brilliant" idea to others.

We are all better for it, per God's will and wonderful plan.

That rewarding ego stroke from the boast is a kind of
currency that all other excessive egotists like, too.

There is no room for ego when walking with Christ.


I like how you didn't give the governor any data, either, just like
when you post here.

Actually, he got data.

When I think of scientist, I sure do think of you.
Oh, and Barney the big purple dinosaur. Together. Doing science.

Your choice.

I bet
the governor makes the 2PD mandatory and everybody in Georgia turns
out to be all skinny and perfect.

He has been informed. It will be his choice.


No, seriously...

Another epitaph you could use on your grave marker.


Bob

You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
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"Ignoramus5937" wrote in message
...

It is not good news for those who do aspire to a low carb WOE, either.
Simply a new form of old junk food.

i

Some of it is good and low calorie - I'm not doing low carb, but the low
carb barbecue sauce tastes great and has 15 calories compared to the normal
40 for 2 tbsp. Not higher in fat either. It has splenda and I like
splenda. I understand that others here may not..
-Jen