Nothing works.

I can't eat in moderation. I tried. I can't go on Atkins because it has
bad effects with my medication (doctor said it would. he might be wrong
but i'll take his opinion over my own) I tried Dean Ornish but it's way
too restrictive for me. I tried the GI diet but I don't understand some
of their instructions ("The diet's not about portion sizes" that's bs.
it is!)
any advice?

little information on me:

i'm 332 pounds at 5'6. i'm male.

On 30 Sep 2005 21:52:34 -0700, "yaj"
choked out these words:

I can't eat in moderation. I tried. I can't go on Atkins because it has
bad effects with my medication (doctor said it would. he might be wrong
but i'll take his opinion over my own) I tried Dean Ornish but it's way
too restrictive for me. I tried the GI diet but I don't understand some
of their instructions ("The diet's not about portion sizes" that's bs.
it is!)
any advice?

little information on me:

i'm 332 pounds at 5'6. i'm male.

eat less, exercise more. portion size is not BS. if you eat
less and exercise more, you will lose weight. try taking a walk
around your neighbourhood for half an hour after you eat. eat
one healthy snack per day (like maybe an apple). stay away from
excess carbs and starches.

if you *can't* do anything to help yourself, then you may just
die being as big as you are. now think of those people who will
have to carry you. do you really want them to have to lift 100
lbs each? (i have no idea how much a casket weighs, so obviously
i'm estimating.)

david

I don't know how to control my hunger pangs though. i would rather be
dead than live miserable, feeling hungry all the time. i don't know how
anybody does it.

yaj wrote:

I can't eat in moderation. I tried. I can't go on Atkins because it has
bad effects with my medication (doctor said it would. he might be wrong
but i'll take his opinion over my own) I tried Dean Ornish but it's way
too restrictive for me. I tried the GI diet but I don't understand some
of their instructions ("The diet's not about portion sizes" that's bs.
it is!)
any advice?

little information on me:

i'm 332 pounds at 5'6. i'm male.


You might try the Weight Watchers Core Diet. It has quite a large list
to choose from and there is no specific journaling of calories.

Of course you are going to have to come to grips with the basic fact
that you are going to need to eat in some sort of moderation to turn
around the weight problem.

doug

yaj wrote:

I don't know how to control my hunger pangs though. i would rather be
dead than live miserable, feeling hungry all the time. i don't know how
anybody does it.


You should definitely try something like Weight Watcher's Core. You said
Dean Ornish was too restrictive. WW Core has a much larger food list you
can eat from. And you can eat until you are satisfied.

You just should not eat things that are obviously bad for you - like
cakes and fried stuff, etc.

I've been on a low-calorie diet now for 120 days and have dropped from
275 to 239 lb. If I'm hungry you know what I do? I eat! I just make sure
to eat things that are not bad for me. I have snacks here like
fat-free microwave popcorn and fruits and other little snacks that are
healthy, filling and low-calorie.

For dinner I make a huge bowl of chicken and vegies in a spicy sauce
that anybody would say is filling.

So there is no reason to feel hungry all the time. There is no reason to
feel hungry *any* time. Just eat if you are hungry. But eat things that
will help you lose weight instead of hurting you!

doug

yaj wrote:

I can't eat in moderation. I tried.

I couldn't eat in moderation either until I found the
specific foods that give me addictive reactions. It
took an elimination system to discover what they were.
But once I knew, avoiding those foods has allowed me
to eat in moderation since then. Sure, it is not
moderation to completely avoid one specific food, but
doing so allows me to be moderate in the rest.

I can't go on Atkins

Since what-Atkins-actually-is is extremely healthy,
is there any chance you're thinking of some magazine
view as opposed to what it really is? That is to
say, have you read Doctor Atkins New Diet Revolution
and are you thinking of a 4-phase system with 14
days of restrictive foods then a progressively less
restrictive system?

because it has
bad effects with my medication (doctor said it would. he might be wrong
but i'll take his opinion over my own)

What medications? Doctors are often uneducated about
nutrition so he may be missing something.

Medication is seroquel. I take it to help my sleeping. He did explain
why my medication would be effected but I don't remember his
explanation.

I will look into the new weight watchers diet. Is there a book that
explains this new WW plan?

Doug Freyburger wrote:
yaj wrote:

I can't eat in moderation. I tried.

I couldn't eat in moderation either until I found the
specific foods that give me addictive reactions. It
took an elimination system to discover what they were.
But once I knew, avoiding those foods has allowed me
to eat in moderation since then. Sure, it is not
moderation to completely avoid one specific food, but
doing so allows me to be moderate in the rest.

I can't go on Atkins

Since what-Atkins-actually-is is extremely healthy,
is there any chance you're thinking of some magazine
view as opposed to what it really is? That is to
say, have you read Doctor Atkins New Diet Revolution
and are you thinking of a 4-phase system with 14
days of restrictive foods then a progressively less
restrictive system?

because it has
bad effects with my medication (doctor said it would. he might be wrong
but i'll take his opinion over my own)

What medications? Doctors are often uneducated about
nutrition so he may be missing something.

"m0rk" wrote in message

I started a couple weeks back and have lost 6 pounds so far

Congrats on the loss.


Breakfast: Cereal or Beans on toast or egg on toast, etc - approx 500
cals

What kind of beans do you eat? I'm just curious.



Ive switched from coke to pepsi max (almost calorie free)

Doesn't pepsi max have sugar in it? I'm unfamiliar with it because we do
not get it up here in Canada.



and have now just got me a bike to get back
into cycling - im not doing any major workouts, just leisurely ones for
now until I feel I can do more.

That is *awesome*. I'm going out to look at exercise bikes today
to use in the hopes I can get back into cycling within a year to a year and
a half from now.

yaj wrote:

Medication is seroquel. I take it to help my sleeping. He did explain
why my medication would be effected but I don't remember his
explanation.

I will look into the new weight watchers diet. Is there a book that
explains this new WW plan?

I don't think so. But I have a list of their core foods posted at

http://lerner.net/diet/wwcoreplan.htm

doug

Oh stop. What's doing with you is stupid self talk. It isn't that you
can't. Its that you don't like it, you don't want to do it, and you
aren't really determined and committed yet.

There isn't a magic bullet. There isn't one single diet that is going
to be the be all and end all for anyone. Get your rear over to see a
nutritionist or sign up with a bariatric clinic. Give a support group a
shot. Join a gym. Actively seek out alternatives that fit with your
personality and comfort level.

I lost 65 lb (went from obese to normal weight, been maintaining since
February). After years of flopping around about it, I got serious. I
went to a medically supervised clinic because I figured out that for
the actual weight loss portion of this whole change, I needed to be on
a very short leash, have some strict rules and limited choices. Not for
everyone, but it worked for me - and part of it was I paid my money up
front, and I was NOT going to throw it away. I started with an 8 week
commitment - and once the 8 weeks was over and I'd lost a chunk of
weight and could see this was working, I kept going.

No matter what you do, first thing you do is empty your house of junk
and temptation, and stock up with mountains of low cal alternatives so
if you are hungry, you can eat something without sabotaging yourself
totally. For me, its a fridge and cupboard full of veggies, diet jello,
low fat yoghurt, fruit, pickles. Then if I really have to have
something, I can have 200 calories worth of something high flavoured
and filling that ISN'T a 1000 calorie bag of chips or cookies.

If you find your eating is triggered by sitting around, change that.
Get the heck off the couch and out of the house. Go for a walk. Go to
the library. Go volunteer at the community center. Anything but sit
around and eat.

Don't overwhelm yourself - make a small goal and focus on that (i.e.
think about breaking 300 lb).

Mary G.