Fake Protein Supplements?

" writes:

On May 15, 9:01 pm, Prisoner at War wrote:
Okay, the advice on protein powders is to buy from a company by a
bodybuilder -- Labrada, Dave Draper's Bomber Blend, Dorian Yates
Approved -- since these guys, presumably, wouldn't want to get a bad
reputation for shoddy products. (How about Gaspari Nutrition, then?
Or Bentacourt....)

But while folks on bodybuilding fora and sites believe that there are
companies which sell rip-off protein powders, I've never heard a name
mentioned at all. So, which companies sell b.s. protein powders?
Which brand's protein mix is not really protein, or not the advertised
protein, etc.?

How's Supplement Direct? Odd I find very little said about them,
considering that they sell the absolute cheapest protein powder
anywhere! From what little research I was able to conduct, they seem
to be supplied -- despite their claims of manufacturing their own
stuff -- by a company called Proteint in MN, which supposedly has the
largest whey isolate facility in the whole world!

And, also, has Schwarzenegger ever done supplement endorsements
himself? I'm surprised he and best buddy Franco Columbu never went
into this business (I understand they were partners in some
construction company they had, which apparently afforded them all
those hours at the gym and all those steroids!)....

Better yet, don't buy protein supplements. If you want more protein
eat some nonfat egg whites at 3 gms per egg white. This makes them
low calorie as well. One body builder I know just eats some canned
tuna when he wants more protein.

While both egg whites and tuna are great (and inexpensive) sources of
protein it really is hard to beat whey protein if you are
supplementing your protein intake. First of all whey protein is less
expensive than egg whites and it doesn't have the mercury issues that
tuna does. You don't even have to look around to get whey protein
that is less than $0.01 per gram of protein. Costco or WalMart both
have what you need.

This fixation with getting protein is not warranted by the
research.

There has been plenty of recent research on protein supplementation
before and after exercise that shows that whey protein is well worth
its tiny price.

It probably won't hurt you but it is a waste of money. Protein is
EASY to get in food...all you could possibly want, even for us
vegetarians. dkw

I agree that protein is fairly easy to get in real food sources.
However, whey protein is less expensive than almost all other high
quality protein sources, it is easy to take, and most whey protein
supplements even taste pretty good.

Whey protein *can* be a waste of money, but only if you insist on some
sort of designer brand.

Jason

In article .com,
wrote:

All protein powders are crap.

Then why does the research find so many benefits from whey compared to
other proteins? Effects on immunity, cancer, GSH, and others. For example:

http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=26

Stick with real food. Protein powders
will actually pull fat soluble vitamins right out of you.

Cite.

AND all of
them have some sort of synthetic sugar.

Your'e an idiot.

Eat liver! One of nature's
wonder foods. Vince Gironda knew a lot of stuff way before anybody
else!

Not really, but he sure thought he did.

Also, check out the folks at http://www.westonaprice.org -
really spot on for maximizing your health!

Actualy they are a bunch of nuts, but that's another issue.

--
Will @ www.BrinkZone.com

"It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural

wrote
All protein powders are crap. Stick with real food. Protein powders
will actually pull fat soluble vitamins right out of you. AND all of
them have some sort of synthetic sugar. Eat liver! One of nature's
wonder foods. Vince Gironda knew a lot of stuff way before anybody
else! Also, check out the folks at http://www.westonaprice.org -
really spot on for maximizing your health!

I love those potholders you folks make and am a big supporter of the Special
Olympics, so, ok, Corky, whatever you say. Here, have a cookie.

David

Tom Anderson wrote:

On Wed, 15 May 2007, Prisoner at War wrote:

Okay, the advice on protein powders is to buy from a company by a
bodybuilder

What? Whose advice? Whoever it is, stop taking their advice, because
they're an idiot.

But while folks on bodybuilding fora and sites believe that there are
companies which sell rip-off protein powders, I've never heard a name
mentioned at all.

Possibly because guys on fora are mostly retarded bull****ters.

True. But, then again, so is "Prisoner at War" aka "NYC XYZ."

Of course, when most of MFW finally figures that out, he'll just come
up with a new username and start all over again.

On Wed, 16 May 2007, Prisoner at War wrote:

On May 16, 9:36 am, Tom Anderson wrote:

Rip-off products in general, yes, but protein powder? The stuff is so
cheap for the manufacturers to buy that it doesn't seem worth it. I mean,
they'd have to find something cheaper to cut it with, and short of fly
ash, i can't think of anything!

Yes, whey protein does seem cheap these days -- surprised so many
college students are still living on ramen noodles! -- but that only
means the profits would be even greater for unscrupulous companies.

No it doesn't. It means exactly the opposite.

tom

--
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On Wed, 16 May 2007, JMW wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

On Wed, 15 May 2007, Prisoner at War wrote:

Okay, the advice on protein powders is to buy from a company by a
bodybuilder

What? Whose advice? Whoever it is, stop taking their advice, because
they're an idiot.

But while folks on bodybuilding fora and sites believe that there are
companies which sell rip-off protein powders, I've never heard a name
mentioned at all.

Possibly because guys on fora are mostly retarded bull****ters.

True. But, then again, so is "Prisoner at War" aka "NYC XYZ."

Of course, when most of MFW finally figures that out, he'll just come up
with a new username and start all over again.

Shhh! I haven't had a good flamewar in ages.

tom

--
Miscellaneous Terrorists: Ducks | Bird Flu | Avian flu | Jimbo Wales |
Backstreet Boys | The Al Queda Network | Tesco -- Uncyclopedia

Let me try to go through this point by point with what I know or what
I think I know...

I generally define the best way of eating as to eat the foods with the
lowest profit margins and that spoil soon. These foods have more
nutrients per ounce. Whey protein is cheap as hell and the source of
it is from cows that aren't grass fed. Not grass fed means lower CLA
in the food source. I just saw a post on one of the groups today
citing this very fact. It was a study done in Europe. I didn't read it
thoroughly but got the gist of it. Also, whey protein or any low fat
protein source will rob Vitamin A (real Vitamin A not beta-carotene)
from the body as it processes the protein. I don't have a citation for
this, but can look it up. Here is an article on vit A and absorption
of protein: http://www.westonaprice.org/men/vita...ybuilding.html

The article which you wrote doesn't have any citations. Please provide
these and we can discuss further. Whey can be made at home far cheaper
than buying a powder. Don't know how? Get raw milk and make yogurt,
then drain the liquid. This would have to be the best whey ever!
Second best, use regular milk. Third best, buy yogurt.

Please name for me a whey protein that uses only brown sugar or even
regular sugar for sweetening and I'll happily endorse it.

Vince definitely was a character. He knew a lot. Not all. And I agree
that he sure thought he knew it all.

Not sure why you think the westonaprice folks are nuts. Please give me
an example as opposed to a general attack on them.

Tom
http://www.itspuresoap.com

On May 16, 4:26 pm, (Will Brink) wrote:
In article .com,

wrote:
All protein powders are crap.

Then why does the research find so many benefits from whey compared to
other proteins? Effects on immunity, cancer, GSH, and others. For example:

http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=26

Stick with real food. Protein powders
will actually pull fat soluble vitamins right out of you.

Cite.

AND all of
them have some sort of synthetic sugar.

Your'e an idiot.

Eat liver! One of nature's
wonder foods. Vince Gironda knew a lot of stuff way before anybody
else!

Not really, but he sure thought he did.

Also, check out the folks athttp://www.westonaprice.org-
really spot on for maximizing your health!

Actualy they are a bunch of nuts, but that's another issue.

--
Will @www.BrinkZone.com

"It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural

In oups.com,
typed:
Let me try to go through this point by point with what I know or what
I think I know...

Nail - head - hit!

[...]


Please name for me a whey protein that uses only brown sugar or even
regular sugar for sweetening and I'll happily endorse it.

What about wholemeal sugar? Isn't that even better than brown sugar?


Vince definitely was a character. He knew a lot.

You know this how?

[...]


--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill

In oups.com,
typed:
On May 15, 9:01 pm, Prisoner at War wrote:
Okay, the advice on protein powders is to buy from a company by a
bodybuilder -- Labrada, Dave Draper's Bomber Blend, Dorian Yates
Approved -- since these guys, presumably, wouldn't want to get a bad
reputation for shoddy products. (How about Gaspari Nutrition, then?
Or Bentacourt....)

But while folks on bodybuilding fora and sites believe that there are
companies which sell rip-off protein powders, I've never heard a name
mentioned at all. So, which companies sell b.s. protein powders?
Which brand's protein mix is not really protein, or not the
advertised protein, etc.?

How's Supplement Direct? Odd I find very little said about them,
considering that they sell the absolute cheapest protein powder
anywhere! From what little research I was able to conduct, they seem
to be supplied -- despite their claims of manufacturing their own
stuff -- by a company called Proteint in MN, which supposedly has the
largest whey isolate facility in the whole world!

And, also, has Schwarzenegger ever done supplement endorsements
himself? I'm surprised he and best buddy Franco Columbu never went
into this business (I understand they were partners in some
construction company they had, which apparently afforded them all
those hours at the gym and all those steroids!)....

Better yet, don't buy protein supplements. If you want more protein
eat some nonfat egg whites at 3 gms per egg white.

Great, 60 egg whites a day then!

This makes them low
calorie as well. One body builder I know just eats some canned tuna
when he wants more protein.

BODYBUILDER EATS CANNED TUNA !!!

This fixation with getting protein is not
warranted by the research.

It's not? It's been working for me! Maybe the research is flawed eh?

It probably won't hurt you but it is a
waste of money.

Are you saying now NOT to eat the egg whites?

Protein is EASY to get in food...all you could
possibly want, even for us vegetarians. dkw

Really? How would you go about getting 180g per day then?


--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill

In article .com,
wrote:

Let me try to go through this point by point with what I know or what
I think I know...

I generally define the best way of eating as to eat the foods with the
lowest profit margins and that spoil soon. These foods have more
nutrients per ounce.

Proft margin has zero to do with nutrient density nor does how fast the
food spoils.

Whey protein is cheap as hell and the source of
it is from cows that aren't grass fed.

Some are some are not.

Not grass fed means lower CLA
in the food source.

Irrelevant and of no consequence to the topic at hand. You are rambling
this off in some attempt to make yourself appear educated on the topic
when you clearly are not.


I just saw a post on one of the groups today
citing this very fact.

You read it on another news group. Really showed me you did...


It was a study done in Europe. I didn't read it
thoroughly but got the gist of it. Also, whey protein or any low fat
protein source will rob Vitamin A (real Vitamin A not beta-carotene)
from the body as it processes the protein. I don't have a citation for
this, but can look it up.

Then do so, as it's total BS.

Here is an article on vit A and absorption
of protein: http://www.westonaprice.org/men/vita...ybuilding.html

A worthless source as weston price is worthless info for non science types
who are fooled by their BS and agendas. The article is also worthless.


The article which you wrote doesn't have any citations. Please provide
these and we can discuss further.

Formatting of the article is messed up for some reason. On another site:

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag97/nov-report97.html

Others can be seen he

Effects of one of the sub fractions found in whey not found in other proteins:

http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=99

Possible effects of whey on weight loss:

http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=11

Pretty much everything you need to know about whey:

http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=25

Those are just a sample BTW.

Whey can be made at home far cheaper
than buying a powder. Don't know how? Get raw milk and make yogurt,
then drain the liquid. This would have to be the best whey ever!
Second best, use regular milk. Third best, buy yogurt.

You're ignorant of the topic.


Please name for me a whey protein that uses only brown sugar or even
regular sugar for sweetening and I'll happily endorse it.

I dont care what you endorse. There are many non flavored whey products on
the market BTW. Your ignorance of whey is not my problem.


Vince definitely was a character. He knew a lot. Not all. And I agree
that he sure thought he knew it all.

I have no idea what you are talking about or who Vince is.


Not sure why you think the westonaprice folks are nuts. Please give me
an example as opposed to a general attack on them.

Their info is generally BS and that's easy enough to figure out by a
simple read of their material.

--
Will @ www.BrinkZone.com

"It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural