If Excess Protein Turns into Fat...

On Aug 26, 4:12 pm, "Hard Bop Drums" wrote:
You need to get your head out of your ass and read a bit more. Yes, PUFAs
are high in all the essential fatty acids,

Makes no sense whatsoever. The essential fatty acids are types of
PUFA. PUFA is a class of which EFA's are members, as are many more non-
essential fats, including toxic ones.

On Aug 25, 11:47 pm, Ron Peterson wrote:


Fats don't contain amino acids which are necessary for the body to
synthesize proteins.

So how do proteins, which contain amino acids, get converted into
fat? The body just tosses out the amino acids when it decides that
protein intake has become excessive (and in what terms -- that
particular minute, hour, day, what?) and decides to turn it into
fat??? But I thought protein was made of amino acids?? So if you
toss it out, then you're tossing out protein!

SNIP



--
Ron

On Aug 25, 11:56 pm, Bill Penrose wrote:


The short answer is nitrogen. There's no nitrogen in fats. The
nitrogen is wizzed out as urea after the decomposition of protein.

Oh! Thanks...and I guess the body can't just grab some floating
nitrogen and add it to fat and convert that fat into protein, eh....

The longer, but not longest, answer
1. There are 20 amino acids in protein. Each one has a different
pathway by which it is converted into fats or sugars and waste
products.

Ah! Check.

2. We can make some of those amino acids, but we lack the metabolic
pathways to make some of the 20. If one vital amino acid is missing,
you can't make any protein. This is why you can't live on a corn diet
(no lysine) but you can live on corn, rice and beans.

Hmm! Check.

3. It takes a huge amount of energy to make protein, but you don't get
much of it back when you destroy it for energy. This is why you can't
live on lean spring rabbits.

Whuh? Um, check.

No, the body can burn fat directly, but it needs some sugar to do
that. In other words, it can burn sugar only, and sugar plus fat, but
not fat only. The 'Atkins diet', where you limit sugars in the diet,
supposedly causes you to stop burning fat, too.

Okay, so it needs some sugar in order to burn fat. Seems like God has
a very round-about, Rube Goldberg way of engineering things!

'Good' fats are usually not used for energy. They're used for
structure, cell membranes, etc.

Yeah, but why can't the body use the fat stores it already has for
these cell membranes and so forth??

Bad fats aren't bad, either,
especially if you work very hard in a cold climate. Only fat can give
you enough energy. It's all in the amount you eat.

(Says corpulent)
Dangerous Bill

In article . com,
Prisoner at War wrote:

On Aug 25, 11:47 pm, Ron Peterson wrote:


Fats don't contain amino acids which are necessary for the body to
synthesize proteins.

So how do proteins, which contain amino acids, get converted into
fat? The body just tosses out the amino acids when it decides that
protein intake has become excessive (and in what terms -- that
particular minute, hour, day, what?) and decides to turn it into
fat??? But I thought protein was made of amino acids?? So if you
toss it out, then you're tossing out protein!


Look up the structure of a protein (amino acid) molecule.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_structure

It contains carbon atoms and carboxyl groups.

In other words...

Atoms capable of constructing carbohydrates.

The body can strip the nitrogen from the protein molecular structure and
use the remaining atoms to create glucose thru a process known as
gluconeogenesis.

This takes place in the liver.

It helps to have taken Biochemistry in College as well as taking the
time to study sports nutrition. ;-)

I hope this helps your understanding a bit.

Seriously.

Excess protein can still be converted to fat.

The human body is an amazing chemistry factory.

Excess nitrogen not utilized to create protein structures in the body is
excreted by the kidneys as urea. (pee)
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On Aug 27, 10:00 am, Prisoner at War
wrote:
On Aug 25, 11:44 pm, "Cubit" wrote:

Um, uh.

Excess protein becomes glucose. The liver does it.

I've read that excess protein becomes fat. But even if it does become
glucose, well, if it's excess glucose it still becomes fat!

No that is not correct ... the body cannot convert proteins to stored
fat ... In fact, it cannot store ingested fat ... The body can only
convert and store excess carbohydrates as fat ... not even alcohol ...

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number6 wrote:

On Aug 27, 10:00 am, Prisoner at War
wrote:
On Aug 25, 11:44 pm, "Cubit" wrote:

Um, uh.

Excess protein becomes glucose. The liver does it.

I've read that excess protein becomes fat. But even if it does become
glucose, well, if it's excess glucose it still becomes fat!

No that is not correct ... the body cannot convert proteins to stored
fat ... In fact, it cannot store ingested fat ... The body can only
convert and store excess carbohydrates as fat ... not even alcohol ...

In your dreams...
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On Aug 27, 8:12 am, Prisoner at War wrote:
On Aug 25, 11:56 pm, Bill Penrose wrote:
The short answer is nitrogen. There's no nitrogen in fats. The
nitrogen is wizzed out as urea after the decomposition of protein.

Oh! Thanks...and I guess the body can't just grab some floating
nitrogen and add it to fat and convert that fat into protein, eh....

Naw, you have to be a pea or another legume to do that (and the
process is actually carried out by nitrogen-fixing bacteria in the
root nodules). For most metabolic purposes, nitrogen is an inert gas.


Okay, so it needs some sugar in order to burn fat. Seems like God has
a very round-about, Rube Goldberg way of engineering things!

It's a miracle that it works at all, even more amazing that it works
for nearly a century without all that much maintenance. You can thank
God or Darwin, it's still amazing as hell.


Yeah, but why can't the body use the fat stores it already has for
these cell membranes and so forth??

It can, but it can't make unsaturated fats. A cell membrane is made of
a mixture of saturated and unsaturated fats, specially compounded to
give it just the right degree of fluidity.

DB

Corpulent "Bill Penrose" wrote in message
ups.com...
The short answer is nitrogen. There's no nitrogen in fats. The
nitrogen is wizzed out as urea after the decomposition of protein.

Prisoner at War wrote:
Oh! Thanks...and I guess the body can't just grab some floating
nitrogen and add it to fat and convert that fat into protein, eh....

Bill Penrose wrote:
Naw, you have to be a pea or another legume to do that (and the
process is actually carried out by nitrogen-fixing bacteria in the
root nodules). For most metabolic purposes, nitrogen is an inert gas.

[hanson]
.... ahahahaha... ok then, since there is plenty of N2 in then blood
stream, let's dream about the development of a "supplement"
or pill that contains GE nitrogen fixing bacteria, appropriate
enzymes and the required trace minerals (V & Mo, IIRC), and
have them bugs manufacture proteins in the stomach or upper
gut so that we can thrive on daisies and cuttings from our lawns....
ahahahaha... ahahanson

On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:04:35 GMT, "hanson"
wrote:


Corpulent "Bill Penrose" wrote in message
oups.com...
The short answer is nitrogen. There's no nitrogen in fats. The
nitrogen is wizzed out as urea after the decomposition of protein.

Prisoner at War wrote:
Oh! Thanks...and I guess the body can't just grab some floating
nitrogen and add it to fat and convert that fat into protein, eh....

Bill Penrose wrote:
Naw, you have to be a pea or another legume to do that (and the
process is actually carried out by nitrogen-fixing bacteria in the
root nodules). For most metabolic purposes, nitrogen is an inert gas.

[hanson]
... ahahahaha... ok then, since there is plenty of N2 in then blood
stream, let's dream about the development of a "supplement"
or pill that contains GE nitrogen fixing bacteria, appropriate
enzymes and the required trace minerals (V & Mo, IIRC), and
have them bugs manufacture proteins in the stomach or upper
gut so that we can thrive on daisies and cuttings from our lawns....
ahahahaha... ahahanson

My uncle, who lived in Alamosa, Colorado, some years back, used
his lawn clippings to feed a number of white rabbits, then his
family ate the rabbits as they reached maturity.

He used one of those little reel type push mowers to mow about
1/7 of his lawn each day. He then placed the clippings in his
rabbit hutches each morning and the rabbits were quite contented
with their fare.

There was an ample supply of lawn clippings for rabbit food
through the summer months, but when winter came he had to feed
the breeding rabbits alfalfa and commercial rabbit food.

This all worked out very well and he was able to market many of
the rabbits. They usually had many more than his family could
eat.

He sold the rabbit pelts to a furrier who used them for clothing
decorations and glove linings.

Gordon

Kaz Kylheku" wrote in message
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On Aug 25, 11:52 pm, wrote:
"PUFA, omega 6 and omega 3 fatty acids, are essential for normal body
metabolism and brain function."

False, Ron.

Ron's statement simply reflects the current mainstream understanding.

If a better understanding replaces that one, it's unlikely that this
will come from some lame Internet crackpots.

And how can I see all kinds of benefits, and no
problems, after deciding to avoid dietary PUFA since 2001?

You might have /decided/ to do that, but it's next to impossible.
You'd have to avoid fruits, vegetables, grains, meats, dairy, etc.
Basically all food.

This causes me to wonder, what exactly do you eat? Ah, your website
has the answer to that:

``Aside from fresh fruit, especially bananas (though I'm not sure if
bananas are technicaly a "fruit"), I eat a lot of cheese along with
ricotta, which can be the same as cheese, or be made with whey, which
will change the amino acid profile a litte. I also eat other dairy,
such as butter, sour cream, and yogurt, but never with additives such
as carrageenan.'' [... etc]

Doh, dairy contains PUFA. It's a source of omega-3 and omega-6 EFA's,
as are other things in your diet.



Don't bother with this Monty moron. He wouldn't know good nutrition from his
little boy porn sites.

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