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An introduction to bunny hugging
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:37:53 -0000, "pearl" wrote:
'An introduction to bunny hugging We are kind to a select few animals, and horribly cruel to many others Posted By DANIEL WILSON Posted 1 day ago .. . . torture them for scientific curiosity. __________________________________________________ _______ If scientists could replace animal research and testing with methods which did not need to use animals then they would. There are several reasons for this: * Scientists do not like or want to use animals in research. Like the vast majority of people they do not want to see animals suffer unnecessarily. In fact less than 10% of biomedical research uses animals. Unfortunately for much of the work involved in biomedical research there are as yet no working alternative techniques that would allow us to stop using animals. * Biomedical research is producing thousands of new compounds, which may have potential as new drugs. It is much more efficient to screen these compounds using rapid non-animal techniques to test their effectiveness and toxicity. * The very high standards of animal welfare and care required of British research establishments are a contributory factor in making animal research very expensive. If scientists can develop alternatives to using animals it will allow them to divert their limited research funds to other areas of research. [...] http://www.bret.org.uk/noan.htm ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ __________________________________________________ _______ [...] From the bald eagle to the red wolf, biomedical research has helped bring many species back from the brink of extinction. Conservation and captive breeding programs, often using fertilization techniques developed for humans, have made it possible for these animals to be reintroduced into the wild, and today their numbers are growing. Biologists and wildlife veterinarians rely on the latest research in reproduction, nutrition, toxicology and medicine to build a better future for our wild animals. In vitro fertilization, sperm banks and artificial insemination were all developed to help human couples, but today they also are regularly used to ensure the survival of endangered species. [...] http://fbresearch.org/helpingwildlife.html ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ __________________________________________________ _______ WITHOUT ANIMAL RESEARCH: Polio would kill or cripple thousands of unvaccinated children and adults this year. Most of the nation's one million insulin-dependent diabetics wouldn't be insulin dependent -- they would be dead. 60 million Americans would risk death from heart attack, stroke or kidney failure from lack of medication to control their high blood pressure. Doctors would have no chemotherapy to save the 70% of children who now survive acute lymphocytic leukemia. More than one million Americans would lose vision in at least one eye this year because cataract surgery would be impossible. Hundreds of thousands of people disabled by strokes or by head or spinal cord injuries would not benefit from rehabilitation techniques. The more than 100,000 people with arthritis who each year receive hip replacements would walk only with great pain and difficulty or be confined to wheelchairs. 7,500 newborns who contract jaundice each year would develop cerebral palsy, now preventable through phototherapy. There would be no kidney dialysis to extend the lives of thousands of patients with end-stage renal disease. Surgery of any type would be a painful, rare procedure without the development of modern anesthesia allowing artificially induced unconsciousness or local or general insensitivity to pain. Instead of being eradicated, smallpox would continue unchecked and many others would join the two million people already killed by the disease. Millions of dogs, cats, and other pets and farm animals would have died from anthrax, distemper, canine parvovirus, feline leukemia, rabies and more than 200 other diseases now preventable thanks to animal research. http://www.ampef.org/research.htm ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ __________________________________________________ _______ We live longer and healthier lives than ever before. Animal research has improved the treatment of infections, helped with immunisation, improved cancer treatment and had a big impact on managing heart disease, brain disorders, arthritis and transplantation. My own field, the prevention of genetic disorders in babies, has been possible only because of humane work on animals. Animal rights activists talk about cruelty and torture, some backing their assertions by publishing out-of-date photographs of "experiments" banned long ago. This is a misrepresentation. .... Some so-called anti-vivisection organisations would have people believe that animal research does not work. This is simply a lie. Animals do not give information that is 100% accurate when applied to humans, but they do provide invaluable information that cannot be replaced by computer modelling, cell culture or human experimentation. Mice have virtually the same genes as humans, which is why they are so useful for exploring human physiology. Animal research has contributed to 70% of the Nobel prizes for physiology or medicine; many award-winning scientists say that they could not have made their discoveries without animals. Polio would still be claiming hundreds of lives a year in Britain if it wasn't for animal research by the Nobel laureate Albert Sabin. "There could have been no oral polio vaccine without the use of innumerable animals," he once said." .... The last big drug disaster in the UK happened because of a lack of animal research. Four decades ago, when thalidomide's awful effects were revealed, the drug was returned to the lab to be tested on pregnant animals for the first time. Birth defects were quickly seen in mice and rabbits. This prompted an overhaul of the legislation and is the basis for our laws on drug development. .... http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/st...ticle_continue ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ |
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Goo outhalfasses himself. (was: An introduction to bunny hugging...)
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 Goo wrote:
pearl wrote: 'An introduction to bunny hugging [snip bull****] Just classic! Wow Goo. You not only continue to outstupid yourself, but you also keep managing to outhalfass yourself too. When I saw another one of Goo's posts of course I expected lameness and absurdity, and probably dishonesty (but the first post in a thread is sometimes too early to start with the lying even for you), but damn Goober...you just flopped on your ass in your own **** with that one. Why don't you jump in there with your idiotic claims about animals being unable to experience emotions, and being unaware that they can see and hear, and some of those lame stupidities, Goob? Get 'er Goober...get 'er... __________________________________________________ _______ "Animals do not have a sense of insult." - Goo "Dogs NEVER anticipate, nor do cats, or cattle, or any other animal you've ever encountered." - Goo "Animals do not experience frustration." - Goo "Animals cannot be or feel disappointed." - Goo "Non human animals experience neither pride nor disappointment. They don't have the mental ability to feel either." - Goo "Anticipation requires language." - Goo "No animals anticipate." - Goo "Dogs, cats, cattle, almost all animals "lower" than the great apes have no sense of self." - Goo "They are not aware that they can see. " - Goo "They are *not* aware that they can smell." - Goo "Darwin, a sentimental person, was projecting. He saw something that wasn't there. He was, in a way, hallucinating." - Goo "The dog didn't do what Darwin said. His statement of the "changes in behavior" is not reliable." - Goo ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ |
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Ethics (a topic lesley the stupid foot-rubbing gash does not know)
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:06:21 -0400, Hoots wrote:
Ron Hamilton wrote: Hoots wrote: dh@. wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:04:09 -0400, Hoots wrote: dh@. wrote: On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:08:40 -0400, Hoots wrote: Goo wrote: You ****ed up, stupid gash: you tried to justify lions' predation - an offensive action - by invoking humans' right to defend themselves against human predation. You ****ed up. You always **** up. You're a ****-up - a stupid, new-age, crackpot ****-up and dumb gash. But she's a great dancer! Don't bet on it. She may have some good points though. She Maybe her points are sitting up high. Way up firm and high? May be, especially when she thinks about Goo ;Ĵ) Well, whoever the Gooster is would be lucky then I guess. Goo is the person to whom you replied: Goo****wit "Bumper" David Harrison. He's a stupid high school drop-out living on a rusty houseboat on Lake Lanier, northeast of Atlanta. He is admittedly stupid. Goo is short for Goober, and as you know, Goober is a common term for stupid southerners. Goo is also known as ****wit. There seems to be a large cast of characters in this play, The person who wrote that was almost certainly Goo himself pretending to be someone else...this time someone who actually does exist but who also would be very unlikely to lie about who Goo is. It's a very common trick for Goo to dishonestly post as another existing person, just as it's common for him to invent "people" to post as as well. but without a libretto, I can't figure them out. Goo has dishonestly posted as all of the characters I told you about and more. Since he was always pretending to be so many different people a common way of referring to "all" of the one person was a good idea, and since he's a moron who considers himself a genius Goobernicus seemed a good choice as a way of referring to him/"them". Since rumor has it that Goo's last name might in reality be "ball", Gonad seemed an excellent last name for the chosen way of referring to "everyone" Goo pretended to be, hence Goobernicus Gonad became an excellent way of referring to the many characters of Goo...Goo for short. After years of it the overly impressed and underly imaginative Goober began referring to me as Goo too for some reason(s) having to do with great lameness and ineptitude, etc. On with the show! |
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Ethics (a topic lesley the stupid foot-rubbing gash does notknow)
dh@. wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:06:21 -0400, Hoots wrote: Ron Hamilton wrote: Hoots wrote: dh@. wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:04:09 -0400, Hoots wrote: dh@. wrote: On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:08:40 -0400, Hoots wrote: Goo wrote: You ****ed up, stupid gash: you tried to justify lions' predation - an offensive action - by invoking humans' right to defend themselves against human predation. You ****ed up. You always **** up. You're a ****-up - a stupid, new-age, crackpot ****-up and dumb gash. But she's a great dancer! Don't bet on it. She may have some good points though. She Maybe her points are sitting up high. Way up firm and high? May be, especially when she thinks about Goo ;Ĵ) Well, whoever the Gooster is would be lucky then I guess. Goo is the person to whom you replied: Goo****wit "Bumper" David Harrison. He's a stupid high school drop-out living on a rusty houseboat on Lake Lanier, northeast of Atlanta. He is admittedly stupid. Goo is short for Goober, and as you know, Goober is a common term for stupid southerners. Goo is also known as ****wit. There seems to be a large cast of characters in this play, The person who wrote that was almost certainly Goo himself pretending to be someone else...this time someone who actually does exist but who also would be very unlikely to lie about who Goo is. It's a very common trick for Goo to dishonestly post as another existing person, just as it's common for him to invent "people" to post as as well. but without a libretto, I can't figure them out. Goo has dishonestly posted as all of the characters I told you about and more. Since he was always pretending to be so many different people a common way of referring to "all" of the one person was a good idea, and since he's a moron who considers himself a genius Goobernicus seemed a good choice as a way of referring to him/"them". Since rumor has it that Goo's last name might in reality be "ball", Gonad seemed an excellent last name for the chosen way of referring to "everyone" Goo pretended to be, hence Goobernicus Gonad became an excellent way of referring to the many characters of Goo...Goo for short. After years of it the overly impressed and underly imaginative Goober began referring to me as Goo too for some reason(s) having to do with great lameness and ineptitude, etc. On with the show! That sure cleared things up. :-/ |
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Ethics
pearl wrote:
"Hoots" wrote in message .. . pearl wrote: "Ron Hamilton" wrote in message m... From: Ron Hamilton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.101.104.64 From: Rudy Canoza Reply-To: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.101.104.64 Is fraud ethically permitted and morally correct behaviour, ball? I'm still working on the ipse dixit thing, so I have no clue about this. 'ipsedixitism .. IN BRIEF: n. - An unsupported dogmatic assertion. .. Latin "Ipse dixit" ("Himself said [it]") .. .. Ipsedixitisms are given as though /absolutely no supporting argument/ is necessary. .. Modern dictionaries dramatically narrow the class by associating it with arbitrary, dogmatic belief, implying that the argument has been repeated after having been challenged2. ..' http://www.answers.com/topic/ipsedixitism 'dogmatic adj. .. Characterized by an authoritative, arrogant assertion of unproved or unprovable principles. See synonyms at dictatorial. ..' http://www.answers.com/topic/dogmatic TSH. Flirt. :-) |
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An introduction to bunny hugging
Omelet wrote:
In article , "FOB" wrote: Crossposted ot crap. PLONK! I had fun brightlighting rabbits at night in the west Texas desert. An AR-15 decapitates them nicely, and gives me moving target practice. They are also delicious. You sure know how to sweet-talk the ladies, don't you? |
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An introduction to bunny hugging
On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 16:16:48 -0000, "pearl" wrote:
"Omelet" wrote in message news In article , "FOB" wrote: Crossposted ot crap. PLONK! I had fun brightlighting rabbits at night in the west Texas desert. .. . . They are also delicious. 'The big problem we have before us in the meat industry is to how to reduce the levels of fat in meat without leaving it dry and tasteless when we eat it. Fat contributes a lot of taste to meat, particularly those flavours that allow us to recognize one species from another. Without it, we may end up with just a bland, general meaty taste. I've always found rabbit to be dry myself, probably because they're grazing animals. Squirrels have a lot more flavor and a better texture to their flesh. |
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An introduction to bunny hugging
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:43:10 -0000, "pearl" wrote:
dh@. wrote in message ... On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:37:53 -0000, "pearl" wrote: 'An introduction to bunny hugging We are kind to a select few animals, and horribly cruel to many others Posted By DANIEL WILSON Posted 1 day ago . . . torture them for scientific curiosity. __________________________________________________ _______ If scientists could replace animal research and testing Repeatedly rebutted (search archive) pro-vivisection spam snipped. Animal Experimentation - The Facts http://www.uncaged.co.uk/vivisect.htm 'Werner Hartinger, M.D. a surgeon in West Germany stated in 1989, "There are, in fact, only two categories of doctors and scientists who are not opposed to vivisection: those who don't know enough about it, and those who make money from it." All doctors make money from it. Duh. All of society benefits from it too. It's interesting, amusing and pathetic that the people who pretend to be the biggest authorities on it can't: 1. appreciate the ways that humans and many other animals benefit from what is learned from it. 2. suggest anything any better than the research they so ignorantly say is of no value. If you people think you know of better ways of getting the answers than by doing research on animals, then why don't you just DO IT? You can't, because the idea is bull****. If it weren't, then it would be done instead of still needing to be done. On the positive side which you can't appreciate (like you can't appreciate the lives of livestock...), what has been done has been done. |
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An introduction to bunny hugging
dh@. wrote in message ...
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:37:53 -0000, "pearl" wrote: 'An introduction to bunny hugging We are kind to a select few animals, and horribly cruel to many others Posted By DANIEL WILSON Posted 1 day ago . . . torture them for scientific curiosity. __________________________________________________ _______ If scientists could replace animal research and testing Repeatedly rebutted (search archive) pro-vivisection spam snipped. Animal Experimentation - The Facts http://www.uncaged.co.uk/vivisect.htm 'Werner Hartinger, M.D. a surgeon in West Germany stated in 1989, "There are, in fact, only two categories of doctors and scientists who are not opposed to vivisection: those who don't know enough about it, and those who make money from it." .....' http://www.navs.org/site/PageServer?...ain_sci_defend |
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