Newbie needs guidance

Hello, All!

I was trying to find a good place to get feedback on loosing some weight. I
just got a new life insurance policy and on a scale from 1 to 17 (17 being
the worst) I was a 2. The main factor was my weight. I have been in
school, my wife and I have had two kids and I have changed jobs a few times.
Through it all, my diet is what gets the least attention. We are now trying
to live better, but I'm not sure where to begin. I am exercising and have
been for about 2 years with little result. I just got a book (for free)
called the "Maker's Diet" which seems interesting. If anyone has advice,
I'm all eyes.

With best regards, Joker. E-mail:

"Joker" wrote in message

I was trying to find a good place to get feedback on loosing some
weight. I
just got a new life insurance policy and on a scale from 1 to 17
(17 being
the worst) I was a 2. The main factor was my weight. I have been
in
school, my wife and I have had two kids and I have changed jobs a
few times.
Through it all, my diet is what gets the least attention. We are
now trying
to live better, but I'm not sure where to begin. I am exercising
and have
been for about 2 years with little result. I just got a book (for
free)
called the "Maker's Diet" which seems interesting. If anyone has
advice,
I'm all eyes.

OK, I'll fall for it. What is the "Maker's Diet"?

Moira, the Faerie Godmother

Moira de Swardt wrote in message
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"Joker" wrote in message

I was trying to find a good place to get feedback on loosing some
weight. I
just got a new life insurance policy and on a scale from 1 to 17
(17 being
the worst) I was a 2. The main factor was my weight. I have been
in
school, my wife and I have had two kids and I have changed jobs a
few times.
Through it all, my diet is what gets the least attention. We are
now trying
to live better, but I'm not sure where to begin. I am exercising
and have
been for about 2 years with little result. I just got a book (for
free)
called the "Maker's Diet" which seems interesting. If anyone has
advice,
I'm all eyes.

OK, I'll fall for it. What is the "Maker's Diet"?

Quackery backed by Christian mythology.
--
Matthew
185/180/160

Joker wrote:
Hello, All!

I was trying to find a good place to get feedback on loosing some weight.

http://www.fatlosstips.com

Then immediately rush off to

http://www.johnstonefitness.com

60lbs and 12% body fat - I'd say they helped me.

Ken

Hello, Ignoramus8735!
You wrote on 27 Jan 2005 21:10:54 GMT:

I On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:17:45 GMT, Joker
wrote:
?? Hello, All!
??
?? I was trying to find a good place to get feedback on loosing some
?? weight. I just got a new life insurance policy and on a scale from 1
?? to 17 (17 being the worst) I was a 2. The main factor was my weight.
?? I have been in school, my wife and I have had two kids and I have
?? changed jobs a few times. Through it all, my diet is what gets the
?? least attention. We are now trying to live better, but I'm not sure
?? where to begin. I am exercising and have been for about 2 years with
?? little result. I just got a book (for free) called the "Maker's Diet"
?? which seems interesting. If anyone has advice, I'm all eyes.

I My guess is that if you are as good as 2 out of 17 on some insurance
I scale, 17 being the worst, you probably are not too fat. Is that
I correct?

I Exercise alone does not necessarily, or even usually, bring about a
I successful weight loss. Eating less in some fashion is key.

I What is that diet book proposing? The makersdiet website is pretty
I unclear about what it actually is, making a lot of promises and
I suggesting that we buy the book.

Not too big. About 30 lbs and 6" around the waist to much. I got the book
for free. I bought some meat from a local rancher and he had a bunch that
were sent to him. I have seen numerous sites that have it for free. I have
only started reading it, so I was hoping someone else had read it and can
give me a review.

With best regards, Joker. E-mail:

Hello, Matthew!
You wrote on Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:10:59 -0700:


MV Moira de Swardt wrote in message
MV ...
??
?? "Joker" wrote in message
??
?? I was trying to find a good place to get feedback on loosing some
?? weight. I
?? just got a new life insurance policy and on a scale from 1 to 17
?? (17 being
?? the worst) I was a 2. The main factor was my weight. I have been
?? in
?? school, my wife and I have had two kids and I have changed jobs a
?? few times.
?? Through it all, my diet is what gets the least attention. We are
?? now trying
?? to live better, but I'm not sure where to begin. I am exercising
?? and have
?? been for about 2 years with little result. I just got a book (for
?? free)
?? called the "Maker's Diet" which seems interesting. If anyone has
?? advice,
?? I'm all eyes.
??
?? OK, I'll fall for it. What is the "Maker's Diet"?
??
MV Quackery backed by Christian mythology.

Thanks for the feedback Matt. Can you give me a synopsis of the book. I
have only started reading it. It appears to be in line with other books
such as Fit for Life and other whole foods diets.

With best regards, Joker. E-mail:

Joker wrote in message
m...
Hello, Matthew!
You wrote on Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:10:59 -0700:


MV Moira de Swardt wrote in message
MV ...
??
?? "Joker" wrote in message
??
?? I was trying to find a good place to get feedback on loosing some
?? weight. I
?? just got a new life insurance policy and on a scale from 1 to 17
?? (17 being
?? the worst) I was a 2. The main factor was my weight. I have been
?? in
?? school, my wife and I have had two kids and I have changed jobs a
?? few times.
?? Through it all, my diet is what gets the least attention. We are
?? now trying
?? to live better, but I'm not sure where to begin. I am exercising
?? and have
?? been for about 2 years with little result. I just got a book (for
?? free)
?? called the "Maker's Diet" which seems interesting. If anyone has
?? advice,
?? I'm all eyes.
??
?? OK, I'll fall for it. What is the "Maker's Diet"?
??
MV Quackery backed by Christian mythology.

Thanks for the feedback Matt. Can you give me a synopsis of the book. I
have only started reading it. It appears to be in line with other books
such as Fit for Life and other whole foods diets.

Fit for Life would be more quackery. See
http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/fitforlife.html.

For Maker's Diet see http://www.ncahf.org/digest04/04-25.html.
You will need to scroll down about halfway through this page.

Hello, Matthew!
You wrote on Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:07:28 -0700:


MV Joker wrote in message
MV m...
?? Hello, Matthew!
?? You wrote on Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:10:59 -0700:
??
MV Moira de Swardt wrote in message
MV ...
??
?? "Joker" wrote in message
??
?? I was trying to find a good place to get feedback on loosing some
?? weight. I
?? just got a new life insurance policy and on a scale from 1 to 17
?? (17 being
?? the worst) I was a 2. The main factor was my weight. I have been
?? in
?? school, my wife and I have had two kids and I have changed jobs a
?? few times.
?? Through it all, my diet is what gets the least attention. We are
?? now trying
?? to live better, but I'm not sure where to begin. I am exercising
?? and have
?? been for about 2 years with little result. I just got a book (for
?? free)
?? called the "Maker's Diet" which seems interesting. If anyone has
?? advice,
?? I'm all eyes.
??
?? OK, I'll fall for it. What is the "Maker's Diet"?
??
MV Quackery backed by Christian mythology.
??
?? Thanks for the feedback Matt. Can you give me a synopsis of the book.
?? I have only started reading it. It appears to be in line with other
?? books such as Fit for Life and other whole foods diets.
??
MV Fit for Life would be more quackery. See
MV http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/fitforlife.html.

Ok, I'll play devil's advocate for a second and ask, is anything
"naturalistic" not quackery? I am of the opinion that while we have great
emergency care in this country, we are built on a system to make money, ie
pharmaceutical companies don't want you to get well. So, what's the answer?
Does medical science have pill I can take to lose the weight? As far as I
can tell, eating right and exercising are the only ways to get there and
that is a natural solution.

So, has anything been written on the "Maker's" book? I noticed in the link
it mentions Robert Haas, who is also mentioned in the "Maker's" book.

I will also state, I am a Christian an don't believe science solves all our
problems. I still go to the doctor, but I know they are just humans and can
make terrible mistakes, so I educate myself before I seek their advise.

With best regards, Joker. E-mail:

Hello, Matthew!
You wrote on Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:43:13 -0700:


MV Joker wrote in message
MV om...
?? Hello, Matthew!
?? You wrote on Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:07:28 -0700:
??
MV Moira de Swardt wrote in message
MV ...
??
?? OK, I'll fall for it. What is the "Maker's Diet"?
??
MV Quackery backed by Christian mythology.
??
?? Thanks for the feedback Matt. Can you give me a synopsis of the
MV book.
?? I have only started reading it. It appears to be in line with other
?? books such as Fit for Life and other whole foods diets.
??
MV Fit for Life would be more quackery. See
MV http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/fitforlife.html.
??
?? Ok, I'll play devil's advocate for a second and ask, is anything
?? "naturalistic" not quackery? I am of the opinion that while we have
?? great emergency care in this country, we are built on a system to make
?? money, ie pharmaceutical companies don't want you to get well. So,
?? what's the
MV answer?
?? Does medical science have pill I can take to lose the weight? As far
?? as I

MV Not just yet. But I imagine there will be one in my lifetime. The couch
MV potato pill.

MV I believe that some "naturalistic" remedies have been proven
MV scientifically in double-blind, repeatable studies. I would not
MV consider those remedies quackery.

?? can tell, eating right and exercising are the only ways to get there
?? and that is a natural solution.
??
?? So, has anything been written on the "Maker's" book? I noticed in the
MV link
?? it mentions Robert Haas, who is also mentioned in the "Maker's" book.
??
?? I will also state, I am a Christian an don't believe science solves
?? all
MV our
?? problems. I still go to the doctor, but I know they are just humans
?? and
MV can
?? make terrible mistakes, so I educate myself before I seek their
?? advise.
??
MV This is a good course of action. FWIW, I am also a Christian and
MV probably know more about the book of Leviticus than Jordan Rubin.

I appologize if I indicated otherwise, but you used the term "christian
mythology" which was a term my grandfather always used to indicate the lack
of truth.

With best regards, Joker. E-mail:

Joker wrote in message
om...
Hello, Matthew!
You wrote on Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:07:28 -0700:

MV Moira de Swardt wrote in message
MV ...
??
?? OK, I'll fall for it. What is the "Maker's Diet"?
??
MV Quackery backed by Christian mythology.
??
?? Thanks for the feedback Matt. Can you give me a synopsis of the
book.
?? I have only started reading it. It appears to be in line with other
?? books such as Fit for Life and other whole foods diets.
??
MV Fit for Life would be more quackery. See
MV http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/fitforlife.html.

Ok, I'll play devil's advocate for a second and ask, is anything
"naturalistic" not quackery? I am of the opinion that while we have great
emergency care in this country, we are built on a system to make money, ie
pharmaceutical companies don't want you to get well. So, what's the
answer?
Does medical science have pill I can take to lose the weight? As far as I

Not just yet. But I imagine there will be one in my lifetime. The couch
potato pill.

I believe that some "naturalistic" remedies have been proven scientifically
in double-blind, repeatable studies. I would not consider those remedies
quackery.

can tell, eating right and exercising are the only ways to get there and
that is a natural solution.

So, has anything been written on the "Maker's" book? I noticed in the
link
it mentions Robert Haas, who is also mentioned in the "Maker's" book.

I will also state, I am a Christian an don't believe science solves all
our
problems. I still go to the doctor, but I know they are just humans and
can
make terrible mistakes, so I educate myself before I seek their advise.

This is a good course of action. FWIW, I am also a Christian and probably
know more about the book of Leviticus than Jordan Rubin.
--
Matthew
185/180/160