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Old March 7th, 2004, 03:02 AM
Chris Braun
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On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 00:52:11 -0000, nevje
wrote:

hi folks

i was about to post a whinging self deflating story of why im having
problems getting started on losing weight

i started to read the group and came across hambugers before and after
pics after 1 year ... now thats inspiring

im about the same starting weight as hamburger and keep trying to lose
weight and then keep rebounding back into a really daft and greedy
feeding frenzy ... im fat because im greedy - its that simple for me,
well ok, not simple ... as greedy is just a word and if i really think
about it its comfort greed. i want it so much but at the same time i
seem to have a major rebound after several days and then totally lose
the plot for weeks on end. this has been happening for the last couple
of years.

so hows it go ...

hi, im a fat guy and i need help ....


Well, welcome, Nevje. The thing is, losing weight isn't going to work
unless you really decide you want it. Otherwise, what's happening to
you will happen: you will just give in to temptation after a few days.
If you do really want to go for it, participating here will help.
What sort of diet approach are you using? What is happening to make
you go off the diet? Maybe we can help you find some solutions.

Chris (of the female sort)
262/155/ (holding in 152-165 weight class)
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Old March 8th, 2004, 04:00 PM
Beverly
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Welcome to ASD, Nevje.

How about making gradual small changes? It's often over whelming to make a
drastic change in our eating and exercise routines. The changes are
something you'll need to continue for life if you want to lose and keep it
off.

Stick around - you'll find lots of information and support.

Beverly


"nevje" wrote in message
.. .
hi folks

i was about to post a whinging self deflating story of why im having
problems getting started on losing weight

i started to read the group and came across hambugers before and after
pics after 1 year ... now thats inspiring

im about the same starting weight as hamburger and keep trying to lose
weight and then keep rebounding back into a really daft and greedy
feeding frenzy ... im fat because im greedy - its that simple for me,
well ok, not simple ... as greedy is just a word and if i really think
about it its comfort greed. i want it so much but at the same time i
seem to have a major rebound after several days and then totally lose
the plot for weeks on end. this has been happening for the last couple
of years.

so hows it go ...

hi, im a fat guy and i need help ....



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Old March 8th, 2004, 04:45 PM
That T Woman
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"Beverly" wrote in message
...
Welcome to ASD, Nevje.

How about making gradual small changes? It's often over whelming to make

a
drastic change in our eating and exercise routines. The changes are
something you'll need to continue for life if you want to lose and keep it
off.

Stick around - you'll find lots of information and support.

Beverly



Hi, nevje

Here's a plan for gradually changing your eating habits
http://www.dolfzine.com/page590.htm
You might look at it and see if it would help.

One other thing that you might want to check out are those keys on the left
and right side of your keyboard marked "Shift". They make the lower case
letters upper case. When you start a sentence the first letter of the first
word is supposed to be upper case. Also, just to the right of the "Enter"
key is a key with " and '. The ' is used in words like "I've", "I'm" and
"don't".

HTH

Tonia






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Old March 8th, 2004, 05:27 PM
Dally
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That T Woman wrote:

One other thing that you might want to check out are those keys on the left
and right side of your keyboard marked "Shift". They make the lower case
letters upper case. When you start a sentence the first letter of the first
word is supposed to be upper case. Also, just to the right of the "Enter"
key is a key with " and '. The ' is used in words like "I've", "I'm" and
"don't".


Thank you. I was feeling too curmudgeonly so I didn't mention it. But
since you brought it up, I'm going to advocate for the extra exercise
that comes from spelling out the word "you".

Dally

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Old March 8th, 2004, 11:53 PM
Chris Braun
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On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 08:03:52 -0000, nevje
wrote:

hi, im a fat guy and i need help ....


Well, welcome, Nevje. The thing is, losing weight isn't going to work
unless you really decide you want it. Otherwise, what's happening to
you will happen: you will just give in to temptation after a few days.
If you do really want to go for it, participating here will help.
What sort of diet approach are you using? What is happening to make
you go off the diet? Maybe we can help you find some solutions.

Chris (of the female sort)
262/155/ (holding in 152-165 weight class)


thats it though .... i do want it

i start off well, i eat all the right things and sometimes i can go 1
week, other times 3 or 4 weeks but then i seem to lose the will for it -
someone will ask me to go for a meal or somewhere i know i shouldnt go
(food wise) and then thats it, will to stay on track is blown away and
its like impossible to say no to anything .... this is definately a high
addiction to food type of response

and then it takes me a week or several weeks to build up the will again
to stop me doing this .... at which point i hate me.


I think the problem here isn't so much that you eat a meal that's not
on your diet, but that you can't get back to it. I think you need to
allow yourself these occasional splurges without feeling like you've
blown it and giving up. Just decide to splurge and feel good about
yourself anyway because you've been doing great most of the time.
Then just go back to doing great most of the time.

I've lose 100+ pounds by doing great most of the time. I've averaged
around one splurge meal a week during that time, with no guilt. Would
I lose faster without it? Probably a bit, but I wasn't in a hurry.

Chris
262/159/ (holding in 152-165 weight class)
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Old March 9th, 2004, 12:00 AM
JMA
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"nevje" wrote in message
.. .
thanks for the comments motu, ignoramous, beverley and chris.

i joined a club tonight and got weighed. they have weekly weigh ins and
talks each week on various topics related to health, specifically mens
health as its a male only club. weighed in at 339.5 pounds.

today was my first day in a while where i have managed to stick to what
i planned to eat and drink. im going to try and stay away from my
triggers and plan my intake properly as thats where i was falling down
quite badly before. i wouldnt plan things and would end up having
something i shouldnt because of it.

anyway, hopefully day one will become a habit - time will tell.

339.5/day one


Hopefully being part of a group will help give you a little more motivation
to stick to your plan. Make sure your plan has enough calories and
nutrients to make you feel satisfied and that will help a little with the
urges. What's helped for me, though not always the best response, is to
make sure I don't have access to the foods that would really wipe me out
(more mentally than physically). If I do overeat, I cut back immediately
with the next meal.

When it comes to identifying triggers, a food log and journal might help.
If I get really bad urges to overeat, I look back at what I had to eat
earlier that day or even the night before. I also try to figure out what's
going on my life that might be stressing me and what's coming up that I
might be anxious about. I also take into account how much sleep I've had
(less sleep usually means more food cravings). Those are the triggers I
have identified that are not related to my female hormone cycles.

Take it one day at a time and remember that there is no reason to completely
give up if you slip a little.
Good luck.
Jenn


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Old March 10th, 2004, 02:47 AM
Dally
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nevje wrote:

so please take your irrelevant **** off somewhere it may matter.


In this forum we communicate via words. How you speak *is* how you are
to us. We tell people coming here that we spell out words ("you"
instead of "u", for example), but no one grades for spelling or typos or
the occasional grammatical error.

But your use of contractions without punctuation is hard to read, and
your convention of not using capital letters is hard to parse. Why
would you choose to not use the conventions of the language being used
in the room? What's in it for you? Is it a fashion statement? You're
going for the illiterate lazy look for some reason? Or is it a
sophisticated thing, like e. e. cummings, where you figure you're
special enough to warrant the extra effort?

Look, we're about substance here, but it's not asking too much that you
conform a bit to some conventions designed to make you more understandable.

At least you didn't top-post.

Dally

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Old March 10th, 2004, 04:11 AM
Perple Gyrl
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Hi Nevje and welcome to the group.

I understand what you are going thru and I used to have the same problem. I
am also emotionally addicted to the wrong types of food and it used to be
easy for me to lose focus. It is all about making a choice, not will power.
You have to choose to eat how you know you should.

For me, it was realizing that I was turning 35, weighing nearly 300 lbs and
being a smoker. I hit that wall where I knew I had to change. If I can do
it, anyone can. I've lost 70+ lbs in 7 months, haven't smoked in 4+ months
and currently exercise 4-5 days a week. A year ago, I would have not
believed that I could do this or be this much healthier.

What I use to motivate myself is realizing how good I am feeling. I WANT
to feel better, I choose to make better choices. I also don't give up if I
have a bad food day. I just get back to it the next day and not make myself
feel bad. It won't be easy at first, but it gets easier.

Best wishes to you and post often..


"nevje" wrote in message

i start off well, i eat all the right things and sometimes i can go 1
week, other times 3 or 4 weeks but then i seem to lose the will for it -
someone will ask me to go for a meal or somewhere i know i shouldnt go
(food wise) and then thats it, will to stay on track is blown away and
its like impossible to say no to anything .... this is definately a high
addiction to food type of response

and then it takes me a week or several weeks to build up the will again
to stop me doing this .... at which point i hate me.



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Old March 10th, 2004, 04:14 AM
Perple Gyrl
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You offer a lot of wise and sound advice.
"motu2467" wrote in message
Don't demand perfection from yourself. Many of us visit "munchie hell"

You
can learn to make the visit to "munchie hell" shorter and the visits to
"good fuel for my body" longer. You are in a process of forming new

habits,
new behaviors. Note the word "process". You will never be perfect, or

even
eat perfectly, it is too much to expect.

and when
ive finished being a pig and get control back i cant believe how stupid
ive been


Sure, it's "I feel stupid, fat, I'm a miserable excuse for a human being"
"I don't have any willpower." Wonder how many people here have ever felt
the same way? Lots!

If you are eating emotionally and stuffing yourself past the point of

being
"full", sometimes eat alone and in secret, and feel totally out of

control,
you might want to consider the possibility that you are a binge eater.

Even
if you don't know *why* you are eating like this, doesn't mean it it not
possible to *change* the behavior. Consider consulting a
nutritionist/therapist who is experienced helping people who eat like

this.
You might be able to deal with this yourself, but having a "helper" of

some
sort can make the learning process go faster. Do a search on the term and
see if you think it sounds like the way you eat.


***I saw a psychologist that specialized in eating disorders for a few
months and it helped me put things into perspective! I am also a binge
eater that isn't cured, but under control now.


this cycle has been going on now for quite some time and if i carry on
this way im gonna end up dead


Correct, last I heard, life has a 100% mortality rate
But if you mean you want to live longer with a body not riddled with
diseases like diabetes, high blood pressure, cancer, arthritis and such;
then, yes, you should learn to be nice to yourself and give yourself good
fuel to maintain your body in a state of health. You will look younger

and
have a new spring in your step. You deserve that.







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Old March 10th, 2004, 04:16 AM
Perple Gyrl
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The first step is the hardest (at least for me). I would suggest also
seeing a nutritionist or counselor of some sort to help you become
accountable.

"nevje" wrote in message
.. .
thanks for the comments motu, ignoramous, beverley and chris.

i joined a club tonight and got weighed. they have weekly weigh ins and
talks each week on various topics related to health, specifically mens
health as its a male only club. weighed in at 339.5 pounds.

today was my first day in a while where i have managed to stick to what
i planned to eat and drink. im going to try and stay away from my
triggers and plan my intake properly as thats where i was falling down
quite badly before. i wouldnt plan things and would end up having
something i shouldnt because of it.

anyway, hopefully day one will become a habit - time will tell.

339.5/day one



 




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