Why Bad Diets Are Bad?

On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:29:07 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
Dogman wrote:

PS: Have you ever thanked the Anglos who saved your French asses from
the Germans? You'd be preaching the merits of the German language
today, not French, were it not for all those A-N-G-L-O-S.

Visiting Arromanches-les-Bains, I was having a beer at a bar, when I saw
a beer glass I didn't recognize. I asked the bar tender how much it
would cost to buy a pair of them, and he said,"Vous etes d'ou?" I said,
"D'Amerique". He shoved a pair of glasses at me. No charge.

You really ought to grow up.

Grow up yourself, Billy.

I was driving in a rental car from Milan to Cannes in the late 70s,
soon after the end of the war in Vietnam. A war that I fought in, and
which cost the lives of many of my buddies. A pretty, French hippy
girl was hitch-hiking along the road, so I stopped to give her a ride.
She got in the car, and as we were riding along the coast, she said
with a smile on her face, "Englander?" I said no, I'm an American,
which caused her to immediately turn a very vivid shade of red, and
demand that I stop and let her out. On her way out the door, she spit
on me, and then cursed me in French. Amongst all the cursing, I heard
many mentions of the word "Vietnam."

I guess she just forgot that the freakin' French were the ones who
started that war, eh?

From that day onward, plus all the other surly treatment I got from
the French while in France, I've detested the French.

Yes, I know there are some old-timers who still appreciate what the
Americans did for them in WWII, but *I* never ran into any of them.
Not one. Just French people who hated Americans.

And if Who-Me can take shots at Americans, I can take shots at the
French.

And if you don't like it, Billy, tough ****.

PS: I had two uncles attempt the landing in Normandy. Neither of them
survived.

--
Dogman

In article ,
Dogman wrote:

On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:29:07 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
Dogman wrote:

PS: Have you ever thanked the Anglos who saved your French asses from
the Germans? You'd be preaching the merits of the German language
today, not French, were it not for all those A-N-G-L-O-S.

Visiting Arromanches-les-Bains, I was having a beer at a bar, when I saw
a beer glass I didn't recognize. I asked the bar tender how much it
would cost to buy a pair of them, and he said,"Vous etes d'ou?" I said,
"D'Amerique". He shoved a pair of glasses at me. No charge.

You really ought to grow up.

Grow up yourself, Billy.

I was driving in a rental car from Milan to Cannes in the late 70s,
soon after the end of the war in Vietnam. A war that I fought in, and
which cost the lives of many of my buddies. A pretty, French hippy
girl was hitch-hiking along the road, so I stopped to give her a ride.
She got in the car, and as we were riding along the coast, she said
with a smile on her face, "Englander?" I said no, I'm an American,
which caused her to immediately turn a very vivid shade of red, and
demand that I stop and let her out. On her way out the door, she spit
on me, and then cursed me in French. Amongst all the cursing, I heard
many mentions of the word "Vietnam."
Englander? Sounds German. The French would have said, "Anglais?"
How many people did you ****-off while you were in Europe?

I guess she just forgot that the freakin' French were the ones who
started that war, eh?

From that day onward, plus all the other surly treatment I got from
the French while in France, I've detested the French.
I'm sure the feeling is reciprocated.

Yes, I know there are some old-timers who still appreciate what the
Americans did for them in WWII, but *I* never ran into any of them.
Not one. Just French people who hated Americans.

It must be your charming attitude. In over a year in France, I rarely
encountered "attitude" from the French, or the Germans for that matter,
and when I did, it was in large cities, where often "other people" are
problems. I suspect the French recognized you for what you are. You know
what you are? Sure you do ;O)

And if Who-Me can take shots at Americans, I can take shots at the
French.

What, because they may have come up with a low carb diet in the 1800s?
Few ideas come from nowhere. Copernicus knew what Galileo proved. James
Watt is usually considered the inventor of the steam engine, but he only
improved what had existed before. We all stand on the shoulders of
giants.

Grow-up.

And if you don't like it, Billy, tough ****.
Spoken like a child.

PS: I had two uncles attempt the landing in Normandy. Neither of them
survived.

None, on either side, made the choice to be there. Everybody was trying
to survive. Why can't you play "nice" with the other kids?
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would have cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.

Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/

[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And it's not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. That's hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they don't get away with no taxation.
- Ralph Nader
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis

On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:46:58 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
Dogman wrote:

On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:29:07 -0700, Billy
wrote:
[...]
You really ought to grow up.

Grow up yourself, Billy.

I was driving in a rental car from Milan to Cannes in the late 70s,
soon after the end of the war in Vietnam. A war that I fought in, and
which cost the lives of many of my buddies. A pretty, French hippy
girl was hitch-hiking along the road, so I stopped to give her a ride.
She got in the car, and as we were riding along the coast, she said
with a smile on her face, "Englander?" I said no, I'm an American,
which caused her to immediately turn a very vivid shade of red, and
demand that I stop and let her out. On her way out the door, she spit
on me, and then cursed me in French. Amongst all the cursing, I heard
many mentions of the word "Vietnam."

Englander? Sounds German. The French would have said, "Anglais?"

Maybe she was just stupid?

How many people did you ****-off while you were in Europe?

Europeans were generally very nice, especially the Italians and the
Germans. But the French? spit

I guess she just forgot that the freakin' French were the ones who
started that war, eh?

From that day onward, plus all the other surly treatment I got from
the French while in France, I've detested the French.
I'm sure the feeling is reciprocated.

Yes, I know there are some old-timers who still appreciate what the
Americans did for them in WWII, but *I* never ran into any of them.
Not one. Just French people who hated Americans.

It must be your charming attitude.

My attitude *is* charming, with charming people. But with the French?

Not so much.

In over a year in France, I rarely
encountered "attitude" from the French, or the Germans for that matter,
and when I did, it was in large cities, where often "other people" are
problems. I suspect the French recognized you for what you are. You know
what you are? Sure you do ;O)

Yeah, I'm a realist.

And if Who-Me can take shots at Americans, I can take shots at the
French.

What, because they may have come up with a low carb diet in the 1800s?

Where's the proof of that? Who-Me doesn't even know that 1863 was in
the 1800s.

If you have proof that the French "came up with a low carb diet" in
the 1800s, post it.

But the really important point is: Who gives a ****?

Few ideas come from nowhere. Copernicus knew what Galileo proved. James
Watt is usually considered the inventor of the steam engine, but he only
improved what had existed before. We all stand on the shoulders of
giants.

Yada yada yada...that's pretty much what I said.

Grow-up.

Screw you.

And if you don't like it, Billy, tough ****.

Spoken like a child.

Tough ****.

PS: I had two uncles attempt the landing in Normandy. Neither of them
survived.

None, on either side, made the choice to be there. Everybody was trying
to survive.

So were my uncles, but they also chose to serve their country in a
righteous war.

Why can't you play "nice" with the other kids?

Because a couple of the other kids are assholes.

Never liked assholes, either.

Asshole.

--
Dogman

In article ,
Dogman wrote:

On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:46:58 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
Dogman wrote:

On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:29:07 -0700, Billy
wrote:
[...]
You really ought to grow up.

Grow up yourself, Billy.

I was driving in a rental car from Milan to Cannes in the late 70s,
soon after the end of the war in Vietnam. A war that I fought in, and
which cost the lives of many of my buddies. A pretty, French hippy
girl was hitch-hiking along the road, so I stopped to give her a ride.
She got in the car, and as we were riding along the coast, she said
with a smile on her face, "Englander?" I said no, I'm an American,
which caused her to immediately turn a very vivid shade of red, and
demand that I stop and let her out. On her way out the door, she spit
on me, and then cursed me in French. Amongst all the cursing, I heard
many mentions of the word "Vietnam."

Englander? Sounds German. The French would have said, "Anglais?"

Maybe she was just stupid?

How many people did you ****-off while you were in Europe?

Europeans were generally very nice, especially the Italians and the
Germans. But the French? spit

I guess she just forgot that the freakin' French were the ones who
started that war, eh?

From that day onward, plus all the other surly treatment I got from
the French while in France, I've detested the French.
I'm sure the feeling is reciprocated.

Yes, I know there are some old-timers who still appreciate what the
Americans did for them in WWII, but *I* never ran into any of them.
Not one. Just French people who hated Americans.

It must be your charming attitude.

My attitude *is* charming, with charming people. But with the French?

Not so much.

In over a year in France, I rarely
encountered "attitude" from the French, or the Germans for that matter,
and when I did, it was in large cities, where often "other people" are
problems. I suspect the French recognized you for what you are. You know
what you are? Sure you do ;O)

Yeah, I'm a realist.

And if Who-Me can take shots at Americans, I can take shots at the
French.

What, because they may have come up with a low carb diet in the 1800s?

Where's the proof of that? Who-Me doesn't even know that 1863 was in
the 1800s.

If you have proof that the French "came up with a low carb diet" in
the 1800s, post it.

But the really important point is: Who gives a ****?

Few ideas come from nowhere. Copernicus knew what Galileo proved. James
Watt is usually considered the inventor of the steam engine, but he only
improved what had existed before. We all stand on the shoulders of
giants.

Yada yada yada...that's pretty much what I said.

Grow-up.

Screw you.

And if you don't like it, Billy, tough ****.

Spoken like a child.

Tough ****.

PS: I had two uncles attempt the landing in Normandy. Neither of them
survived.

None, on either side, made the choice to be there. Everybody was trying
to survive.

So were my uncles, but they also chose to serve their country in a
righteous war.
Tell it to the Philippinos, Cubans, and Puerto Ricans. Tell us about the
Treaty of Versailles, and colonial expansion in the Pacific. A war to
throw off foreign domination would pass for a righteous war, but we
haven't had one of those since 1812. I don't doubt the patriotism of
those who answer their nation's call. I do doubt the patriotism of those
who call the shots, especially "Here and Now".

Why can't you play "nice" with the other kids?

Because a couple of the other kids are assholes.

Never liked assholes, either.

Asshole.

Putain de connard, foutre le camp.
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would have cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.

Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/

[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And it's not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. That's hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they don't get away with no taxation.
- Ralph Nader
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis

On 23/08/2011 12:57 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
Dogman wrote:
wrote:

We covered what that means a while back. It means
that you and I know that a key component of LC
is that when you drastically cut carbs your hunger
and cravings disappear.

Okay. But how does *having* cravings and constant hunger = "normal
healthy diet"?

I wonder if people who dismiss the lack of cravings are the ones who
don't get them themselves and they believe no one else does either.
And/or some people never wake up in the middle of the night hour after
hour from hunger while they are on some plan that triggers cravings in
others.

They are not hungry, they are experiencing a craving as you suggest, but
that is not hunger. Perhaps one thing that has helped me in an adverse
manner, is that I have experienced real hunger - twice. I was
"shipwrecked" lost a yacht at sea and had nothing to eat for nine days.
After I was recovered (by a passing Navy ship) I spent nearly six weeks
in hospital. True hunger is very different from "wanting" to eat. You
actually lose your appetite quite rapidly and just feel bad - ill and
listless.

The advice from naturally thin people tends to be repetitive
and so obviously wrong it's pitiful.

There are very few "naturally" thin people - that is just another part
of a fat person's shtick - something to lessen their guilt about not
being able to lose weight. There are however a lot of people who have
never allowed themselves to become indulgent. You don't believe it, then
look into the the shopping trolleys of most fat people. They know what
is healthy, they know what is bad for them, but their trolleys are
filled with indulgent food, not health food. Oh, and the obligatory cans
of diet soft drinks - the ubiquitous token gesture toward weight loss.

In article ,
Doug Freyburger wrote:

Dogman wrote:
" wrote:

We covered what that means a while back. It means
that you and I know that a key component of LC
is that when you drastically cut carbs your hunger
and cravings disappear.

Okay. But how does *having* cravings and constant hunger = "normal
healthy diet"?

I wonder if people who dismiss the lack of cravings are the ones who
don't get them themselves and they believe no one else does either.
And/or some people never wake up in the middle of the night hour after
hour from hunger while they are on some plan that triggers cravings in
others. The advice from naturally thin people tends to be repetitive
and so obviously wrong it's pitiful.

And sometimes they regret it when the reach some point in their 30s to
40s and they start gaining without changing their lifestyle.

--
The Chinese pretend their goods are good and we pretend our money
is good, or is it the reverse?

On Aug 23, 4:50*am, Who_me? wrote:
On 23/08/2011 12:57 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:





Dogman wrote:
*wrote:

We covered what that means a while back. *It means
that you and I know that a key component of LC
is that when you drastically cut carbs your hunger
and cravings disappear.

Okay. *But how does *having* cravings and constant hunger = "normal
healthy diet"?

I wonder if people who dismiss the lack of cravings are the ones who
don't get them themselves and they believe no one else does either.
And/or some people never wake up in the middle of the night hour after
hour from hunger while they are on some plan that triggers cravings in
others.

They are not hungry, they are experiencing a craving as you suggest, but
that is not hunger. Perhaps one thing that has helped me in an adverse
manner, is that I have experienced real hunger - twice. I was
"shipwrecked" lost a yacht at sea and had nothing to eat for nine days.
After I was recovered (by a passing Navy ship)
I spent nearly six weeks
in hospital. True hunger is very different from "wanting" to eat. You
actually lose your appetite quite rapidly and just feel bad - ill and
listless.

The advice from naturally thin people tends to be repetitive
and so obviously wrong it's pitiful.

There are very few "naturally" thin people - that is just another part
of a fat person's shtick - something to lessen their guilt about not
being able to lose weight.


To be expected from the troll who claims there is no
link between genetics and obesity.


There are however a lot of people who have
never allowed themselves to become indulgent.

Yeah, there he goes again on his high horse.
Must be nice to be you. If there are lots of these
people, why is obesity such a health crisis?

You don't believe it, then
look into the the shopping trolleys of most fat people. They know what
is healthy, they know what is bad for them, but their trolleys are
filled with indulgent food, not health food. Oh, and the obligatory cans
of diet soft drinks - the ubiquitous token gesture toward weight loss.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You think just maybe it's because those foods create
cravings that make them feel hungry most of the time
and those craving also drive them in part to seek out those
very same foods? You claimed you read Atkins book?

On Aug 23, 5:37*am, Who_me? wrote:
On 23/08/2011 2:53 AM, Dogman wrote:


Frankly, I didn't know what you meant by "long-term athletic
endeavor," and why a low-carb diet would necessarily suck because of
it.

Long term endeavour is anything where someone doesn't give up, when they
decide to do something and stick to it. It is perhaps telling that you
don't understand that.

* *I took a guess, because your writing is so arcane that it's hard

to understand exactly what it is that you're trying to say.

Arcane? Do you actually know what that means? There is nothing arcane
about my writing, well not to any normal person.

I'd agree with Dogman that not only is much of what you
write arcane, but you won't even address the most
basic and straightforward questions that are of the
most importance.



Are you really this stupid? 1863 was not in the 1900s, it's in the
1800s.

Yes, my mistake, I meant eighteenth century not eighteen hundreds. I do
make mistakes sometimes - the penalty of working with multiple languages
- but I do happily admit them on such occasions.

Yet one more lie to add to the list. Here is just a partial
list of what you have claimed that is not true and you
have not corrected a single one of them:

The Atkins Nutritional business no longer exists

Atkins Nutritional products are no longer available.

Atkins Nutritionals stated that the Atkins diet
had failed and was over.

Genetics plays no role in obesity.

The Atkins diet will damage your kidneys,
while Dukan is safe and effective.

No overweight person has normal kidney function.


Not only have you refused to correct any one of
them, you won't even answer the most simple
and direct question. I've asked the very question
that goes to the core about 10 times now.
Here it is one more time:

You claim Atkins is unsafe and will damage your
kidneys, while Dukan is safe and effective. How
can that be? What exactly is it that makes it so?
Atkins allows 20g of carbs a day, unlimited protein
and fat during induction, which lasts 2 weeks.
Dukan allows virtually zero carbs and no vegetables
during his attack phase, which lasts from 2 to
7 days. Both put you in ketosis. Both
allow increasing complex carbs
in stages after that. Under Atkins, that would even
include upping carbs during maintenance to your own
personal reqts for sports, yet you claim Atkins
is unhealthy, while Dukan is good.

So, what exactly makes Atkins dangerous and
unhealthy while Dukan is good?
Simple question that you should be able to give
a straight answer to and we are waiting.....

On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 15:07:51 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
Dogman wrote:

On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:46:58 -0700, Billy
wrote:

PS: I had two uncles attempt the landing in Normandy. Neither of them
survived.

None, on either side, made the choice to be there. Everybody was trying
to survive.

So were my uncles, but they also chose to serve their country in a
righteous war.

Tell it to the Philippinos, Cubans, and Puerto Ricans. Tell us about the
Treaty of Versailles, and colonial expansion in the Pacific. A war to
throw off foreign domination would pass for a righteous war,

Oh please. The trick is in never having to throw off foreign
domination in the first place.

I don't doubt the patriotism of
those who answer their nation's call.

Sure you do. You reek of cynicism.

I do doubt the patriotism of those
who call the shots, especially "Here and Now".

I have no idea what that means.

Why can't you play "nice" with the other kids?

Because a couple of the other kids are assholes.

Never liked assholes, either.

Asshole.

Putain de connard, foutre le camp.

You too, asshole.

--
Dogman

On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:50:01 +1000, Who_me?
wrote:

There are however a lot of people who have
never allowed themselves to become indulgent.

There are even more people who have had to eat those very words.


--
Dogman