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Why Bad Diets Are Bad?
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-- - Billy Both the House and Senate budget plan would have cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans "appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of waste, fraud and abuse." http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/ [W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And it's not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. That's hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they don't get away with no taxation. - Ralph Nader http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis |
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On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:37:44 +1000, Who_me?
wrote: On 23/08/2011 2:53 AM, Dogman wrote: On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 15:31:10 +1000, wrote: On 22/08/11 3:54 AM, Dogman wrote: On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:31:00 +1000, wrote: [...] Hey - a name I recognise from the last time I was here. Wrong about not knowing Atkins though - I know it very well. It is effective for weight loss, it sucks for long term athletic endeavor. You simply aren't competitive. Athletes don't normally need to lose weight. Some athletes may wish to increase carb levels during intensive training. Who, aside from you suggested that athletes need to lose weight? Frankly, I didn't know what you meant by "long-term athletic endeavor," and why a low-carb diet would necessarily suck because of it. Long term endeavour is anything where someone doesn't give up, when they decide to do something and stick to it. It is perhaps telling that you don't understand that. I didn't understand the context (you speak in tongues), because there's no reason a person can't eat low-carb and have long-term athletic endeavors. Still don't, in fact. I took a guess, because your writing is so arcane that it's hard to understand exactly what it is that you're trying to say. Arcane? Do you actually know what that means? There is nothing arcane about my writing, well not to any normal person. Yes, arcane. You don't write clearly and distinctly. The Paleo, Primal, Caveman, etc. diets are essentially the Atkins diet, and are the new "fad." What planet are you on? "NEW"? Earth. And they're newer than Atkins, which was the point. There are grandmothers who are newer than Atkins - and it wasn't the point. How interesting, that you never seem to get the point, even when it's explained to you multiple times. Isw that a French trait? I always get the point - when there is one. Getting the point does not mean to agree with someone. You never get to the point. You always write around it. Here's another point: Who on this planet gives a **** how "new" or "old" the Atkins diet is, more than whether it works or not, except you? I don't care, I was simply pointing out that the poster was not accurate about Atkins, wrong in yet another area. Yet you're unable to point to any proof. You're a legend in your own mind. [...] 1863 is the nineteen hundreds. I said the early eighteen hundreds - so Banting doesn't come into it. Are you really this stupid? 1863 was not in the 1900s, it's in the 1800s. Yes, my mistake, I meant eighteenth century not eighteen hundreds. I do make mistakes sometimes More times than you know, apparently. For someone who thinks that 1863 was in the 1900s, you should probably read more and write less. I do both, and enjoy doing so. Much as I enjoy having a strong appetite and appreciating good food. Few people don't have strong appetites, and few people don't appreciate good food. And I get to eat a lot of good food on a low-carb way of eating; food which doesn't make me fat, or negatively affect my health. Most of the time, getting attacked by the medical and health professions is a "good thing," considering how often they are/were wrong. Just this morning, I heard a doctor on TV say that eating too much meat causes diabetes. Really? Eating too many *carbs* causes diabetes. Eating less carbs and more meat can actually cure diabetes. Did he have a "PETA" sticker on his car? (On radio you have to listen very carefully to hear the stickers rustle.) Funny. He's on Fox News on Sunday mornings. Dr. Isadore Rosenfeld, perhaps the most uninformed medical doctor I've ever encountered. There are a lot of them about. Maybe my Mother-in-Law should be a Doctor - she is uninformed and opinionated but without basis. She thinks that the Greenhouse effect is a good thing because things grow better in greenhouses. I think your mother-in-law is the smarter of the two. http://www.co2science.org/ [...] No, not most people. Most stupid people and uninformed people. Which in France apparently includes the entire population. Now you are degenerating into puerility. Xenophobia? That really is immature. Not xenophobia. Maybe Francophobia. I like Germans, Italians, Swiss, English, Irish, etc., I just can't stand the French. Generally speaking. And there's nothing irrational about my feelings for the French. It's based on my actual experience with French people. As you can probably tell, I don't bow down to the gods of political correctness. [...] But if you are interested in embroidery or cake decorating, and yet haven't done any research on embroidery or cake decorating, you're not only lazy, but ignorant and stupid, and probably French, too. It is ok, I can understand the American male's resentment of Frenchmen. If I was to experience a situation where men from another country could consistently and effortlessly seduce our women I might feel the same. American women do love a man with a French accent - have you noticed? Actually, they mostly complain about your body odor, and all the time you spend gazing at yourselves in the mirror. [...] You are right, it is not laughable, to say any author has to have been inspired by Atkins is ludicrous. You are presupposing that all diet authors are incapable of independent thinking and research. That is laughable. I write for a living and have a lot published on diet, and you can probably guess that Atlkins does not inspire me. Every doctor who practices medicine today is inspired by Hippocrates. You really are gullible. And you're just stupid. Every athlete who participates in the Olympic Games today is inspired by the Greek athletes who held competitions in Olympia, Greece almost 3000 years ago. We all stand on the shoulders of those who came before us. More gullible nonsense, many of them have no knowledge of Greek history - they just want to win. You seem to have a very unrealistic, yet romantic view of life. I'd rather have a romantic, albeit accurate, view of life than a cynical one. Nota bene: It's frightening to think that you write for a living. Boo! And that's another good example of it. [...] What makes Harvard or Yale special? Wasn't it Harvard, including Dr. Walter Willet, who as recently as the late 80s, were telling people to eat margarine (transfat, etc.) and to stop eating butter, because margarine was "cholesterol free"? That Harvard? Here's a video you should watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vr-c...layer_embedded It's called "How Bad Science and Big Business Created the Obesity Epidemic." You might learn something. Nothing new there - all very old territory. Yeah, riiiight. I try hard not to use any words with French roots, because when I do, I throw up in my mouth a little. You must really struggle then - either that or have very eroded teeth. It's quite possible, even easy, to go for months without speaking a word with a French root. I don't like to throw up in my mouth. No, I don't much care for the French, because so many of them are like you. Pompous, arrogant, stupid, ungrateful, and smelly. Smelly? You don't like Aramis? Smells more like cow dung to me. Stupid? I have been a member of Mensa since my early teens. Hmmmm. If I had a dollar for everyone who claimed to be in Mensa, I'd have approximately 7 billion dollars. Arrogant, yes, it is hard not to be sometimes when dealing with Americans. That's the way we like it. My distaste of the French is a distaste that's shared by many Americans. Perhaps most. No we wouldn't. It would have taken us a while longer to gain our freedom, but we'd have gotten it eventually. How? You have never won a war that you started, not unaided. Why would that change? We don't generally start wars, but we're pretty good at ending them. What the French did do back then is appreciated, but it's the last kind thought (with the possible exception of Brigette Bardot) I've ever had about a French person. She wouldn't like you - she respects honesty and intellect. (And Dukan if the gossips are correct.) I don't want to have a relationship with her. I just want to screw her. PS: Have you ever thanked the Anglos who saved your French asses from the Germans? You'd be preaching the merits of the German language today, not French, were it not for all those A-N-G-L-O-S. Yes I have. My grandfather was one of them. He was born in Texas. Good. There may be hope for you yet. By the way, how do you say "I surrender!" in French? Heh. Ask any of your women who visit our country. They are good at it. (And quick at it too.) Considering how French women greeted American soldiers during WW II, they're probably still praying for our return. I will be in your country next month, New York and Boston. My wife does not like me going there because American woman are so easy when it comes to Frenchmen. I will see if she is right - yet again. They're pretty easy for just about everyone, so don't flatter yourself. Tip: When you're in Boston, find a good Irish pub near Boston Garden and yell "Vive les Habitants!" in your strongest French accent. See how that works out for you. -- Dogman |
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On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 05:55:44 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Aug 23, 5:37*am, Who_me? wrote: On 23/08/2011 2:53 AM, Dogman wrote: Arcane? Do you actually know what that means? There is nothing arcane about my writing, well not to any normal person. I'd agree with Dogman that not only is much of what you write arcane, but you won't even address the most basic and straightforward questions that are of the most importance. That's no accident, Trader. There's just no there there. -- Dogman |
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:22:22 +1000, Who_me?
wrote: [...] I will answer or elucidate on things that I have said. Psst. Hey, troll. You have nobody fooled. You're all hat; no cattle. -- Dogman |
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On Aug 23, 12:22*pm, Who_me? wrote:
On 23/08/2011 10:55 PM, wrote: On Aug 23, 5:37 am, *wrote: On 23/08/2011 2:53 AM, Dogman wrote: Frankly, I didn't know what you meant by "long-term athletic endeavor," and why a low-carb diet would necessarily suck because of it. Long term endeavour is anything where someone doesn't give up, when they decide to do something and stick to it. It is perhaps telling that you don't understand that. * * I took a guess, because your writing is so arcane that it's hard to understand exactly what it is that you're trying to say. Arcane? Do you actually know what that means? There is nothing arcane about my writing, well not to any normal person. I'd agree with Dogman that not only is much of what you write arcane, but you won't even address the most basic and straightforward questions that are of the most importance. Are you really this stupid? 1863 was not in the 1900s, it's in the 1800s. Yes, my mistake, I meant eighteenth century not eighteen hundreds. I do make mistakes sometimes - the penalty of working with multiple languages - but I do happily admit them on such occasions. Yet one more lie to add to the list. *Here is just a partial list of what you have claimed that is not true and you have not corrected a single one of them: The Atkins Nutritional business no longer exists Atkins Nutritional products are no longer available. Atkins Nutritionals stated that the Atkins diet had failed and was over. Genetics plays no role in obesity. The Atkins diet will damage your kidneys, while Dukan is safe and effective. No overweight person has normal kidney function. Not only have you refused to correct any one of them, you won't even answer the most simple and direct question. *I've asked the very question that goes to the core about 10 times now. Here it is one more time: You claim Atkins is unsafe and will damage your kidneys, while Dukan is safe and effective. *How can that be? *What exactly is it that makes it so? Atkins allows 20g of carbs a day, unlimited protein and fat during induction, which lasts 2 weeks. Dukan allows virtually zero carbs and no vegetables during his attack phase, which lasts from 2 to 7 days. *Both put you in ketosis. *Both allow increasing complex carbs in stages after that. *Under Atkins, that would even include upping carbs during maintenance to your own * personal reqts for sports, yet you claim Atkins * is unhealthy, while Dukan is good. So, what exactly makes Atkins dangerous and unhealthy while Dukan is good? Simple question that you should be able to give a straight answer to and we are waiting..... "We" are waiting? A royal plural? There you go being arcane again instead of answering the simple question I asked above. The "we" clearly is all the rest of us who have participated in the thread the last few days. We who have called you out on all your BS. That group of we is 7 of us at last count, most of whom have been here for years and know LC. We who agree you don't have a clue about what you are talking about. Must be getting kind of lonely for you about now. The question goes directly to the core of the issue and yet you refuse to give an answer. And while you're at it, now would be a good time to correct all the falsehoods you put forward as fact. You claimed that when you were wrong you did so. Here is a partial list. I'm sure others can add to it: The Atkins Nutritional business no longer exists Atkins Nutritional products are no longer available. Atkins Nutritionals stated that the Atkins diet had failed and was over. Genetics plays no role in obesity. The Atkins diet will damage your kidneys, while Dukan is safe and effective. No overweight person has normal kidney function. I will answer or elucidate on things that I have said. You are not asking me about things that I have said, you are putting your words in my mouth. If you cannot read and comprehend clearly, then there is little point in responding as you will not comprehend the response. Look very carefully at what I have actually said and stop replying to what you think that I might have said, or to what others who fail to read and comprehend think that I might have said. Ok? I am a very exact person, you seem to be very sloppy and haphazard in your approach to discussion.- Hide quoted text - It is precisely what you said that we'd all like an answer to. Since you seem to have forgotten or wish to forget it, let me help you out. Here is what you said that started this: "I like a low carb (not ludicrously unhealthy like Atkins) diet" " I developed a diet that has kept me fit for decades, and recently I have seen that it is very similar to the much vaunted Dr Dukan's diet." You went on to do everything you could to bash Atkins, while being very postitive towards Dukan. So, if you're not a troll, what exactly makes Atkins dangerous and unhealthy while Dukan is OK? A simple question that you should be able to give a straight answer to and we are waiting..... |
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On 23/08/2011 8:07 AM, Billy wrote:
In , wrote: So were my uncles, but they also chose to serve their country in a righteous war. Tell it to the Philippinos, Cubans, and Puerto Ricans. Tell us about the Treaty of Versailles, and colonial expansion in the Pacific. A war to throw off foreign domination would pass for a righteous war, but we haven't had one of those since 1812. I don't doubt the patriotism of those who answer their nation's call. I do doubt the patriotism of those who call the shots, especially "Here and Now". Why can't you play "nice" with the other kids? Because a couple of the other kids are assholes. Never liked assholes, either. Asshole. Putain de connard, foutre le camp. Ne vous embrassez votre mère avec cette bouche? |
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On 24/08/2011 2:30 AM, Dogman wrote:
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:22:22 +1000, wrote: [...] I will answer or elucidate on things that I have said. Psst. Hey, troll. You have nobody fooled. You're all hat; no cattle. Like a lost cowboy? |
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On Aug 23, 11:47*pm, Who_me? wrote:
There you go being arcane again instead of answering the simple question I asked above. *The "we" clearly is all the rest of us who have participated in the thread the last few days. (I really don't think that you grasp the true meaning of the word "arcane". I think that you confuse it with obtuse. I can sometimes be deliberately obtuse - if I choose to wind someone up. Arcane means that you lack the ability to understand me, that you are missing some knowledge or experience that is required to understand me.) We who have called you out on all your BS. *That group of we is 7 of us at last count, most of whom have been here for years and know LC. You don't seem to know LC as well as you think that you do. You are certainly Atkins devotees - as I once was when I first posted in this group. I learned from my mistake and moved on from there. I then found things that worked without the limitations inherent in the Atkins regimen.. I'd say we are devotees of truth and won't tolerate liars who dredge up anti-LC crap. The same LC crap that has been used over and over to attack virtually every LC diet, be it Atkins or Dukan. The very crap you put forth. That Atkins will damage your kidneys. That Atkins was obese when he fell and hit his head, ending his life. That Atkins Nutritionals is out of business. That Atkins will worsen your blood lipids.... Doug quickly identified you as a clown when you first brought up the crap about kidney damage. It's about a good a litmus test as one can find to spot an anti- LC troll. We who agree you don't have a clue about what you * are talking about. *Must be getting kind of lonely for you about now. The question goes directly *to the core * of the issue and yet you refuse to give an answer. You haven't asked a question that had not already been answered. And one more evasion of the question, which is to explain what makes Atkins dangerous and unhealthy, while Dukan is good. * And while you're at it, now would be a good time to correct all the falsehoods you put forward as fact. *You claimed that when you were wrong you did so. * Here is a partial list. *I'm sure others can add to it: The Atkins Nutritional business no longer exists It doesn't in this country or the other countries that I regularly spend time in. Are you stupid? Whether a product exists in some countries or not has no bearing on whether the company exists. Following that logic, Peugeot is no longer in business because their cars are not sold in the USA. I have seen no health food stores in France, Sweden, the UK, Australia, or New Zealand who carry their products - not since the mid 00's. If it exists then it is far more limited in scope - it is no longer international. You are an unbelievable ignoramus. IF IT EXISTS? You made a false claim that is libelous. I even gave you the link to Atkins Nutritional that shows they exist. You do know how the internet works, do you not? Here's another clue too. All along many of us have ordered LC products of one kind or another from online suppliers because we could not find them locally. I guess that's expecting too much from the French in 2011. It was "officially" shut down several years ago. If it rose Phoenix-like from the ashes, then it is now hovering pretty close to the ground. Another libelous lie. Have you no shame in continuing to make an ass of yourself? Kindly provide us with a link that says Atkins Nutritional was officially shut down several years ago. Like everything else you claim, no link will be forthcoming. Perhaps being an ignoramus, you've confused bankruptcy with shutting down and going out of business. Atkins Nutritional products are no longer available. See above. Atkins Nutritionals stated that the Atkins diet had failed and was over. They did - in a statement to the courts when filing for protection against their creditors. They owed a lot of money and had near zero income. It was widely discussed in various forms of health media at the time. Then it should be easy for you to back that up with a link, troll. As usual, no such link will be forthcoming. Genetics plays no role in obesity. Usually not, That's a shift. Maybe there is hope for you yet. though a great many fat people claim that it does. You can't be fat without overeating, yet many claim to eat like sparrows or something similar. I have had a great many people tell me over several decades that they eat less than I do. Sure, when eating a meal at the same table they might make a point of doing that, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to gain and maintain more weight than another person without consuming or failing to burn more calories. But then again, I think there is no hope. It's quite incredible. I can see why you think everyone else is lying though. It's because you're such prolific liar yourself. Why, in this thread you even proudly told us how you plan on cheating on your wife again when you come to the USA. How many fat people walked out of concentration camps? If it was truly possible for some people to be fat on a calorie restricted diet, at least some of those prisoners would have been fat. My in-laws spent several years in one and commented on how many of those who had been fat rapidly became as gaunt as everyone else. I guess the fat person with the bird-like appetite is a myth? You can't possibly be this stupid and still be alive. You've taken a unique situation where people were forced into eating virtually nothing. Of course if you put people in a cage and only give them 200 calories a day, they will starve to death. That has no appicability to the real world, where people are surrounded by food. You make the arrogant assumption that all people have the same metabolisms, the same appetites, the same reaction to high carb foods. They do not. The Atkins diet will damage your kidneys, while Dukan is safe and effective. No overweight person has normal kidney function. No they don't, have a chat to an Endocrinologist or a Cardiologist. Anyone who is long-term fat or obese has impaired liver, kidney and heart function. It is listed as one of the risk factors for obesity. No, it's not up to any of us to have a chat. It's up to you to provide a link to a credible reference. I've provided many in this thread. You, not a one. I will answer or elucidate on things that I have said. You are not asking me about things that I have said, you are putting your words in my mouth. If you cannot read and comprehend clearly, then there is little point in responding as you will not comprehend the response. Look very carefully at what I have actually said and stop replying to what you think that I might have said, or to what others who fail to read and comprehend think that I might have said. Ok? I am a very exact person, you seem to be very sloppy and haphazard in your approach to discussion.- Hide quoted text - It is precisely what you said that we'd all like an answer to. Since you seem to have forgotten or wish to forget it, let me help you out. *Here is what you said that started this: "I like a low carb (not ludicrously unhealthy like Atkins) diet" " I developed a diet that has kept me fit for decades, and recently I have seen that it is very similar to the much vaunted Dr Dukan's diet." It is very similar in a number of areas. It is not as severe nor is the initial stage as long as the initial stages of many other low carb diets where nearly all carbs, even those in fresh produce are banned. Another example of ignorance. Atkins does not ban fresh produce, even during induction. Yet you claim ATkins is unhealthy, while Dukan is good. Dukan does ban vegetables during the attack phase. What;s up with that? You went on to do everything you could to bash Atkins, while being very postitive towards Dukan. No, I was not being positive toward Dukan, I was being "ACCURATE" about some misleading claims about Dukan. BS. After my experience with Atkins I would not regard any diet that has a high carb restriction in a positive light. Strange then that you've spoken so favorably about Dukan and only now bring up this point. And what exactly is the difference between "high carb restricition" and "low carb"? Sounds like more BS word games. Atkins is the only one I tried, and in just a few months I lost a massive amount of weight - from a starting BMI that was medium to low. I lost a lot of muscle mass - even though during the process I worked out daily. I lost strength and endurance. I don't like any highly restrictive, ketosis inducing diet, but I do like eating low carb. Although Dukan is not as intense in effect or duration as Atkins, Not as intense? Why no. Dukan just has you on an almost pure protein diet for up to 7 days. No vegetables. You're in ketosis. But Dukan is good, Atkins bad, right? We're still waiting for the answer to the direct question: What exactly makes Atkins dangerous and unhealthy while Dukan is good? Simple question that you should be able to give a straight answer to and if you're not just a troll, we are waiting..... |
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