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http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/0...ust-the-start/ "In the month since I started, I’ve lost twelve pounds so far. The most remarkable thing for me, though–-and I wasn’t really expecting it–-is that after the first week of being completely grain-free, I have not had a single headache of any kind, and I have been a migraine sufferer since my teens. For the first time in years, I did not refill my prescription for Imitrex. "If stopping wheat had done nothing for me but get rid of the migraines, it would be worth it for that alone. But my chronic annoying post-nasal drip and constant allergy symptoms have also disappeared; I’ve stopped needing a nap in the middle of the day; I’ve stopped having any food cravings. I have also been able to stop taking omeprazole for GERD–-no digestion problems whatsoever now. My energy levels are much higher throughout the day, and a lot of small daily aches and pains–-especially arthritis in my hands and fingers–-have disappeared." "I’ve read some criticisms from various sources of Dr. Davis’s book, but I am not a scientist and for me, the proof is, as they say, in the milk-free pudding: I’ve never tried any eating plan or diet that has truly made the kind of remarkable improvement in my health and well-being that this one has, and it was reading Wheat Belly that inspired me to give it a try. "To any skeptics I would simply say, it’s a simple enough experiment. Try it for a couple of weeks. See what happens." Nooooo! Don't do thaaaat! Wait for a freakin' "study"! -- Dogman "I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman |
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On Sep 27, 1:27*pm, Dogman wrote:
http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/0...ust-the-start/ "In the month since I started, I ve lost twelve pounds so far. The most remarkable thing for me, though -and I wasn t really expecting it -is that after the first week of being completely grain-free, I'll bet it's not just grain free, but actually that it's a LC diet, meaning the benefits may be due to that and not be wheat specific. Lots of people have reported all kinds of health improvements due to LC alone. Real studies, as opposed to annecdotal reports have shown it as well. I have not had a single headache of any kind, and I have been a migraine sufferer since my teens. For the first time in years, I did not refill my prescription for Imitrex. "If stopping wheat had done nothing for me but get rid of the migraines, it would be worth it for that alone. But my chronic annoying post-nasal drip and constant allergy symptoms have also disappeared; I ve stopped needing a nap in the middle of the day; I ve stopped having any food cravings. I have also been able to stop taking omeprazole for GERD -no digestion problems whatsoever now. My energy levels are much higher throughout the day, and a lot of small daily aches and pains -especially arthritis in my hands and fingers -have disappeared." "I ve read some criticisms from various sources of Dr. Davis s book, but I am not a scientist and for me, the proof is, as they say, in the milk-free pudding: I ve never tried any eating plan or diet that has truly made the kind of remarkable improvement in my health and well-being that this one has, and it was reading Wheat Belly that inspired me to give it a try. "To any skeptics I would simply say, it s a simple enough experiment. Try it for a couple of weeks. See what happens." Nooooo! *Don't do thaaaat! *Wait for a freakin' "study"! -- Dogman Being a skeptic, I can't try the experiment. That's because I don't have migraines. I don't have GERD. I don't take omeprazole. I don't take Imitrex. I don't have post nasal drip either. I don't take naps in the afternoon and I don't have food cravings. Gee, and I still eat some wheat. Imagine that! In fact, I just had a sandwich made from Pepperidge Farms CarbStyle bread that has wheat in it. Do you have to shill multiple times a day for the wheat belly book? Are you as sure about wheat as you are that HIV is harmless? That HIV doesn't cause AIDS? That AIDS is caused by diet? |
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On 9/27/2012 2:25 PM, Dogman wrote:
http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/0...ust-the-start/ "In the month since I started, I’ve lost twelve pounds so far. The most remarkable thing for me, though–-and I wasn’t really expecting it–-is that after the first week of being completely grain-free, I have not had a single headache of any kind, and I have been a migraine sufferer since my teens. For the first time in years, I did not refill my prescription for Imitrex. "If stopping wheat had done nothing for me but get rid of the migraines, it would be worth it for that alone. But my chronic annoying post-nasal drip and constant allergy symptoms have also disappeared; I’ve stopped needing a nap in the middle of the day; I’ve stopped having any food cravings. I have also been able to stop taking omeprazole for GERD–-no digestion problems whatsoever now. My energy levels are much higher throughout the day, and a lot of small daily aches and pains–-especially arthritis in my hands and fingers–-have disappeared." "I’ve read some criticisms from various sources of Dr. Davis’s book, but I am not a scientist and for me, the proof is, as they say, in the milk-free pudding: I’ve never tried any eating plan or diet that has truly made the kind of remarkable improvement in my health and well-being that this one has, and it was reading Wheat Belly that inspired me to give it a try. "To any skeptics I would simply say, it’s a simple enough experiment. Try it for a couple of weeks. See what happens." Nooooo! Don't do thaaaat! Wait for a freakin' "study"! You can find similar anecdotes for Jenny Lind, Weight Watchers, the grapefruit diet, the low fat diet, etc. Should we not do any studies at all then? |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 11:03:38 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Sep 27, 1:27*pm, Dogman wrote: http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/0...ust-the-start/ "In the month since I started, I ve lost twelve pounds so far. The most remarkable thing for me, though -and I wasn t really expecting it -is that after the first week of being completely grain-free, I'll bet it's not just grain free, but actually that it's a LC diet, And you know this...how, exactly, Dr. Carnac? crickets I have not had a single headache of any kind, and I have been a migraine sufferer since my teens. For the first time in years, I did not refill my prescription for Imitrex. "If stopping wheat had done nothing for me but get rid of the migraines, it would be worth it for that alone. But my chronic annoying post-nasal drip and constant allergy symptoms have also disappeared; I ve stopped needing a nap in the middle of the day; I ve stopped having any food cravings. I have also been able to stop taking omeprazole for GERD -no digestion problems whatsoever now. My energy levels are much higher throughout the day, and a lot of small daily aches and pains -especially arthritis in my hands and fingers -have disappeared." "I ve read some criticisms from various sources of Dr. Davis s book, but I am not a scientist and for me, the proof is, as they say, in the milk-free pudding: I ve never tried any eating plan or diet that has truly made the kind of remarkable improvement in my health and well-being that this one has, and it was reading Wheat Belly that inspired me to give it a try. "To any skeptics I would simply say, it s a simple enough experiment. Try it for a couple of weeks. See what happens." Nooooo! *Don't do thaaaat! *Wait for a freakin' "study"! Being a skeptic, I can't try the experiment. That's because I don't have migraines. I don't have GERD. I don't take omeprazole. I don't take Imitrex. I don't have post nasal drip either. I don't take naps in the afternoon and I don't have food cravings. But you have no idea what wheat may be doing to your blood sugars because you don't TEST. You also have no idea what effects wheat may be having on YOU, because you've never known life without wheat. And over time, elevated blood sugars can cause diabetes, elevated LDL-P counts, heart attacks, strokes, fibromyalgia, blindness, etc. As I reflected in a previous post, millions of people with diabetes do NOT know they have diabetes. They, not unlike yourself, prefer to unscrew the engine warning lights in their "cars." Good luck with that! Gee, and I still eat some wheat. Imagine that! That's your choice, of course, but others may decide to pursue a much different way of eating. A healthier way of eating. Do you have to shill multiple times a day for the wheat belly book? Do you have to shill multiple times a day for a very, very sloppy way of low-carb eating? Or for BigPharma? Or for ADM? Or for AIDS, Inc? Here's what I shill for: Being the healthiest that you can be. Ways to lose weight, keep it off, and avoid sickness in the first place. I.e., PREVENTION. Are you as sure about wheat as you are that HIV is harmless? Read my sig file a few more times. Eventually it'll sink in. Some dogs need more repetitions than others. Ditto for some humans I know. That HIV doesn't cause AIDS? Yeah, I'm pretty sure about that. That AIDS is caused by diet? Yes, I'm pretty sure that AIDS can be caused by malnutrition. Chronic malnutrition can lead to immune dysfunction, even its total collapse. Which can produce diseases like TB, malaria, cholera, etc. Throw in a lack of proper hygiene, dirty drinking water, and here's what you get: DEAD So...as usual: ......................./´¯/) .....................,/¯../ ..................../..../ ............../´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸ .........../'/.../..../......./¨¯\ .........('(...´...´.... ¯~/'...') ..........\.................'...../ ...........''...\.......... _.·´ .............\..............( ...............\.............\... -- Dogman "I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:07:55 -0300, James Warren
wrote: [...] "To any skeptics I would simply say, it’s a simple enough experiment. Try it for a couple of weeks. See what happens." Nooooo! Don't do thaaaat! Wait for a freakin' "study"! You can find similar anecdotes for Jenny Lind, Weight Watchers, the grapefruit diet, the low fat diet, etc. Should we not do any studies at all then? Your time in my kill file has apparently expired, James, so I'll try to answer that question. Yes, anecdotes can be very informative, and I'm sure there have been many people helped by whoever Jenny Lind is, Weight Watchers, etc. But anecdotes, just like "studies," should always be taken with a grain of salt, i.e., skepticism. Including the one above. Like I tried to explain in a previous post, when Dr. Atkins published his first book, there really weren't any "studies" that gave much credence to his ideas. But millions of people read his book, tried his low-carb way of eating, lost weight, felt much better, improved their health markers, etc. And by doing that, many of them saved their own lives. Pretty cool, eh? These people didn't wait around for "studies." They heard something that made sense to them, they tried it, they got measured, and they were handsomely rewarded. So whatever anecdotes you've read about, say, Weight Watchers dieters, need to be TESTED on yourself to see if they apply to you, too. Can some people lose weight on Weight Watchers? Absolutely. Can you? Well, you won't know unless you try it. Can Weight Watchers improve a person's health markers? Sure. But will they improve yours? You can't know that until you try it, and then get TESTED. The only way to find out what effect eliminating wheat from your diet will have on YOU is to try it YOURSELF for 30 days or so (like the guy in the post above, and many others on Dr. Davis' web site) and see for YOURSELF. There's ZERO downside to performing this experiment on yourself, because wheat doesn't provide you with anything that you can't get from other, HEALTHIER food sources. Whether you choose to test your blood sugars, or LDL-P levels, too, during this period of time, is another matter altogether. The guy in the post above apparently didn't go that far, but he still got rid of his migraines, food cravings, GERD, pain in his hands and fingers, post-nasal drip, allergies, and he got off of some drugs. Quite a reward, I'd say. So, James, you can take these n-1 experiments as far as you want, and then see what happens to YOU, or you can decide to wait around for the perfect "study." You took a plunge once and went low-carb. It apparently produced dividends for YOU. Which "study" was it that gave you the confidence to try low-carb? -- Dogman "I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman |
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On 9/27/2012 4:54 PM, Dogman wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:07:55 -0300, James Warren wrote: [...] "To any skeptics I would simply say, it’s a simple enough experiment. Try it for a couple of weeks. See what happens." Nooooo! Don't do thaaaat! Wait for a freakin' "study"! You can find similar anecdotes for Jenny Lind, Weight Watchers, the grapefruit diet, the low fat diet, etc. Should we not do any studies at all then? Your time in my kill file has apparently expired, James, so I'll try to answer that question. Yes, anecdotes can be very informative, and I'm sure there have been many people helped by whoever Jenny Lind is, Weight Watchers, etc. But anecdotes, just like "studies," should always be taken with a grain of salt, i.e., skepticism. Including the one above. Like I tried to explain in a previous post, when Dr. Atkins published his first book, there really weren't any "studies" that gave much credence to his ideas. But millions of people read his book, tried his low-carb way of eating, lost weight, felt much better, improved their health markers, etc. And by doing that, many of them saved their own lives. Pretty cool, eh? These people didn't wait around for "studies." They heard something that made sense to them, they tried it, they got measured, and they were handsomely rewarded. So whatever anecdotes you've read about, say, Weight Watchers dieters, need to be TESTED on yourself to see if they apply to you, too. Can some people lose weight on Weight Watchers? Absolutely. Can you? Well, you won't know unless you try it. Can Weight Watchers improve a person's health markers? Sure. But will they improve yours? You can't know that until you try it, and then get TESTED. The only way to find out what effect eliminating wheat from your diet will have on YOU is to try it YOURSELF for 30 days or so (like the guy in the post above, and many others on Dr. Davis' web site) and see for YOURSELF. There's ZERO downside to performing this experiment on yourself, because wheat doesn't provide you with anything that you can't get from other, HEALTHIER food sources. Whether you choose to test your blood sugars, or LDL-P levels, too, during this period of time, is another matter altogether. The guy in the post above apparently didn't go that far, but he still got rid of his migraines, food cravings, GERD, pain in his hands and fingers, post-nasal drip, allergies, and he got off of some drugs. Quite a reward, I'd say. So, James, you can take these n-1 experiments as far as you want, and then see what happens to YOU, or you can decide to wait around for the perfect "study." You took a plunge once and went low-carb. It apparently produced dividends for YOU. Which "study" was it that gave you the confidence to try low-carb? There are studies as you very well know. The anecdote is the weakest form of scientific evidence but humans have evolved to consider it to be the strongest form of evidence. Curious, no? The problems with n=1 anecdotes are placebo effects, confounding factors that may not have been measured, false attribution, simple errors, etc. A randomized study with proper controls tends to minimize all of those. |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:05:49 -0300, James Warren
wrote: [...] There's ZERO downside to performing this experiment on yourself, because wheat doesn't provide you with anything that you can't get from other, HEALTHIER food sources. Whether you choose to test your blood sugars, or LDL-P levels, too, during this period of time, is another matter altogether. The guy in the post above apparently didn't go that far, but he still got rid of his migraines, food cravings, GERD, pain in his hands and fingers, post-nasal drip, allergies, and he got off of some drugs. Quite a reward, I'd say. So, James, you can take these n-1 experiments as far as you want, and then see what happens to YOU, or you can decide to wait around for the perfect "study." You took a plunge once and went low-carb. It apparently produced dividends for YOU. Which "study" was it that gave you the confidence to try low-carb? There are studies as you very well know. Yeah, but which one convinced you to try it? Surely you must have that one on the tip of your tongue, eh? The anecdote is the weakest form of scientific evidence There is nothing scientific about anecdotes. There's also nothing scientific about many (maybe most) "studies." And unless you truly understand the Scientific Method (and most scientists do not, and virtually no layperson does, and many of the writers/designers of these "studies" rely on that), and are capable of properly perusing whether a particular "study" conforms to it, that "study" can be little more than an anecdote camouflaged as a "study." but humans have evolved to consider it to be the strongest form of evidence. Can you point to a "study" that backs up your claim? The problems with n=1 anecdotes are placebo effects, That's not a problem at all! Who cares if it's a placebo effect (if it actually is)? If it works for YOU, that's all that matters. What if your weight loss was a placebo effect? Would you care? confounding factors that may not have been measured, false attribution, simple errors, etc. A randomized study with proper controls tends to minimize all of those. Well, keep waiting then, James. Tick tick tick... -- Dogman "I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman |
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On Sep 27, 2:56*pm, Dogman wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 11:03:38 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Sep 27, 1:27*pm, Dogman wrote: http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/0...ust-the-start/ "In the month since I started, I ve lost twelve pounds so far. The most remarkable thing for me, though -and I wasn t really expecting it -is that after the first week of being completely grain-free, I'll bet it's not just grain free, but actually that it's a LC diet, And you know this...how, exactly, Dr. Carnac? crickets Well, the very website that you constantly keep boring us with and posting links to, as if it were some great new discovery: http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2011/1...ick-and-dirty/ Eliminate: All wheat-based products (all breads, all breakfast cereals, noodles, pasta, bagels, muffins, pancakes, waffles, donuts, pretzels, crackers), oat products (oatmeal, oat bran), cornstarch-based products (sauces or gravies thickened with cornstarch, prepared or processed foods containing cornstarch, cornmeal products like chips, tacos, tortillas), sugary soft drinks, candies Enjoy unlimited: Vegetables-except potatoes; fresh or frozen, never canned Raw nuts and seeds-raw almonds, walnuts, pecans, hazelnuts, pistachios, Brazil nuts, cashews; dry-roasted peanuts (not roasted in oil); pumpkin and sunflower seeds Healthy oils (unheated)-olive, flaxseed, coconut, avocado, walnut Meats-red meats, pork, fish, chicken, turkey, eggs. (Consider free- range, grass-fed and/or organic sources.) Non-wheat grains-ground flaxseed, chia seeds Teas, coffee, water, unsweetened almond milk, coconut milk or coconut water Cheeses—real cultured cheeses only (not Velveeta or single-slice processed cheese) Avocado or guacamole; hummus; unsweetened condiments, e.g., mayonnaise, mustard, oil-based salad dressings; ketchup without high- fructose corn syrup; pesto, tapenades; olives Limited: Fruit-No more than 2 servings a day (one serving is a level handful), preferably in this order (best first): berries of all varieties, citrus, apples, nectarines, peaches, melons. Minimize bananas, pineapples, mangoes, and grapes Fruit juices-only real juices and in minimal quantities (no more than 2-4 oz) Dairy products-No more than 1 serving per day of milk, cottage cheese or yogurt, unsweetened (Fat content does not matter.) Legumes/beans; peas; sweet potatoes and yams; rice (white and brown); soy Dark chocolates-70-85% cocoa or greater; no more than 40 grams (approximately 2 inches square) per day Sugar-free foods-preferably stevia-containing, rather than aspartame Sure looks very similar to Atkins, South Beach or many other LC, reduced carb diets. But you have no idea what wheat may be doing to your blood sugars because you don't TEST. That's right. Just like so many others that I've seen here in the newsgroup the last decade that are not diabetic, I do LC without testing my BG. It has never even been discussed as some kind of requirement, until you showed up. You also have no idea what effects wheat may be having on YOU, because you've never known life without wheat. And over time, elevated blood sugars can cause diabetes, elevated LDL-P counts, heart attacks, strokes, fibromyalgia, blindness, etc. As I reflected in a previous post, millions of people with diabetes do NOT know they have diabetes. They, not unlike yourself, prefer to unscrew the engine warning lights in their "cars." Good luck with that! Gee, and I still eat some wheat. *Imagine that! That's your choice, of course, but others may decide to pursue a much different way of eating. A healthier way of eating. I have a couple slices of Pepperidge farms CarbStyle bread, with a whopping 5g of carb per slice and it's unhealthy? Healthier according to whom? You? The same guy that says HIV is harmless? The guy that says HIV doesn't cause AIDS? The guy that claims no virus can cause cancer? Given what you think is sound science, why would anyone listen to you? Do you have to shill multiple times a *day for the wheat belly book? Do you have to shill multiple times a day for a very, very sloppy way of low-carb eating? Or for BigPharma? Or for ADM? Or for AIDS, Inc? I'm not the one starting post after post here, many of them about this wheat belly crap. And I'm not the one with the compelling need to have the last say on virtually every topic. Go back and look at who has started most of the posts for the last few months and who ends almost every one. Hint: It's not me. It didn't used to be like that, until you showed up. |
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On Sep 27, 4:05*pm, James Warren wrote:
On 9/27/2012 4:54 PM, Dogman wrote: On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:07:55 -0300, James Warren wrote: [...] "To any skeptics I would simply say, it s a simple enough experiment. Try it for a couple of weeks. See what happens." Nooooo! *Don't do thaaaat! *Wait for a freakin' "study"! You can find similar anecdotes for Jenny Lind, Weight Watchers, the grapefruit diet, the low fat diet, etc. Should we not do any studies at all then? Your time in my kill file has apparently expired, James, so I'll try to answer that question. Yes, anecdotes can be very informative, and I'm sure there have been many people helped by whoever Jenny Lind is, Weight Watchers, etc. But anecdotes, just like "studies," should always be taken with a grain of salt, i.e., skepticism. Including the one above. Like I tried to explain in a previous post, when Dr. Atkins published his first book, there really weren't any "studies" that gave much credence to his ideas. But millions of people read his book, tried his low-carb way of eating, lost weight, felt much better, improved their health markers, etc. And by doing that, many of them saved their own lives. Pretty cool, eh? These people didn't wait around for "studies." They heard something that made sense to them, they tried it, they got measured, and they were handsomely rewarded. So whatever anecdotes you've read about, say, Weight Watchers dieters, need to be TESTED on yourself to see if they apply to you, too. Can some people lose weight on Weight Watchers? Absolutely. Can you? Well, you won't know unless you try it. Can Weight Watchers improve a person's health markers? Sure. But will they improve yours? You can't know that until you try it, and then get TESTED. The only way to find out what effect eliminating wheat from your diet will have on YOU is to try it YOURSELF for 30 days or so (like the guy in the post above, and many others on Dr. Davis' web site) and see for YOURSELF. There's ZERO downside to performing this experiment on yourself, because wheat doesn't provide you with anything that you can't get from other, HEALTHIER food sources. Whether you choose to test your blood sugars, or LDL-P levels, too, during this period of time, is another matter altogether. The guy in the post above apparently didn't go that far, but he still got rid of his migraines, food cravings, GERD, pain in his hands and fingers, post-nasal drip, allergies, and he got off of some drugs. Quite a reward, I'd say. So, James, you can take these n-1 experiments as far as you want, and then see what happens to YOU, or you can decide to wait around for the perfect "study." You took a plunge once and went low-carb. It apparently produced dividends for YOU. Which "study" was it that gave you the confidence to try low-carb? There are studies as you very well know. The anecdote is the weakest form of scientific evidence but humans have evolved to consider it to be the strongest form of evidence. Curious, no? The problems with n=1 anecdotes are placebo effects, confounding factors that may not have been measured, false attribution, simple errors, etc. A randomized study with proper controls tends to minimize all of those.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And of course the most relevant study regarding diet and wheat would be the one that the anecdotal case above is almost certainly NOT on. That would be the one where you simply eliminate wheat and replace it with similar carbs, eg corn, rice, potato, etc. If that study shows a weight loss, then I'm cool with the term "wheat belly". If it fails to show any significant difference, then I say it's a bogus term because the effect is not unique to wheat. If you look at what Davis actually recommends as a diet, it's actually LC or reduced carb, cutting out most refined carbs, not just wheat. |
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