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How a real scientist can make a difference. Eventually.



 
 
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Old May 24th, 2012, 04:55 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Dogman
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On Wed, 23 May 2012 06:03:41 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

[...]
If I ever do get seriously ill, I'll make sure the doctor I see knows
what he or she is talking about, is someone who never stops learning,
and is someone who fully understands what The Scientific Method and
the Hippocratic Oath actually are.


In other words, you have no doctor, which isn't surprising
given your bizarre mindset.


You do realize how stupid that sounds, right?

Nah, probably not.

What do you propose to do?


Actually, asshole, I propose that I not get seriously ill. If I do get
seriously ill, and say, need a specialist, I intend to remain in
control of my treatment, the drugs prescribed, etc., not the doctor.

But feel free to let *your* doctors run your life!


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about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman
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Old May 25th, 2012, 03:30 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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Default How a real scientist can make a difference. Eventually.

On May 24, 11:55*am, Dogman wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2012 06:21:46 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:
Did you not read that article I posted today? That's typical, it's not
an anomaly.

It's sure typical of your methods.


Yes, it is. To give examples, which I was asked for.

*The FDA withdrew their recommendation.*

I wonder why they did that?


Simple. They changed their opinion based on new
data.





You take one doctor's
opinion that is negative and instantly it becomes the gold
standard of truth.


Since you are unable to reason deductively, let's see if you can prove
him wrong.



Again, I can see why you so easily go wrong. YOU
are the one choosing to believe this one editorial
writer. YOU are then using that to slam and indict the
entire medical establishment without ever considering
any other views or possibilities. It's up to YOU to prove he's
right.





You should be thanking this doctor, and here you are impugning his
efforts to save lives.

You're a real piece of work, asshole.


More vulgarity which is to be expected from someone
who's getting demolished here right and left an can't
argue the facts.




One doctor said it in an editorial and it's
negative about a drug company on a very complex subject.
Yet instantly, that one doctor must be right and what the
drug company did is criminal.....


Yes, it is criminal, unless you think "improvement in quality of life"
is just another way to say "deaths" and "heart attacks."



Another example of faulty logic.





How can a person of even normal intelligence come away with any other
conclusion, that they did it deliberately, and with deception!


Very easy. *It's just the opinion of one doctor on a
complex subject. *And we have not even heard the other
side. * Capiche?


We heard the other side when the FDA withdrew it's recommendations.



Sure, based on new data. Now if the FDA is really
evil as you claim, why would they change their opinion
at all?



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Old May 25th, 2012, 05:04 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Dogman
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On Fri, 25 May 2012 07:30:50 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

[...]
*The FDA withdrew their recommendation.*

I wonder why they did that?


Simple. They changed their opinion based on new
data.


No, they didn't. They changed it only when forced to by the FDA.

"The results I found in the Amgen report, filed with the FDA in 1996,
showed that bigger epoetin doses to target higher hematocrit did not
improve the physical function quality of life component at all, and
had significantly increased the risk of death, heart attack, other
thrombotic events, and hospitalizations."

Which is why you can't go by PR releases, you have to actually read
the studies themselves.

AMGEN knew this all along.

You should be thanking this doctor, and here you are impugning his
efforts to save lives.

You're a real piece of work, asshole.


More vulgarity which is to be expected from someone
who's getting demolished here right and left an can't
argue the facts.


My language is appropriate for the assholes who call others "loons"
and "morons."

Yes, it is criminal, unless you think "improvement in quality of life"
is just another way to say "deaths" and "heart attacks."



Another example of faulty logic.


It's exactly what they tried to get away with.

Sure, based on new data. Now if the FDA is really
evil as you claim, why would they change their opinion
at all?


The FDA was as much duped as evil here.


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Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman
 




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