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CNN article: Low-fat? Low-carbs? Answering best diet question
On Mar 17, 4:00*pm, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
On 2009-03-17, AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote: for those of you who believe in evolution, just think what your forebearers ate: lots of veggies & fruit they gathered, and all the meat they could hunt down. In other words, /lean/ protein, carbohydrates, and exercise. they did not farm grains, which are the main carbs of our diet. Not only that, but farming is also a main source of animal and vegetable fat. I don't think they had any grains similar to what we have today to farm, even if they could. The grains we have today only exist because they were selected and developed to produce the grains. Like they started with some grain that was small, almost useless or inedible. Then they'd find an abnormally large one, or a tastey one, or hopefully both and save the seed and replant it, continuing that process for God knows how long, until they had the big, useable grains that emerged in the last few thousand years. That process is how a type of grass became corn in Mexico. |
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CNN article: Low-fat? Low-carbs? Answering best diet question
wrote in message ... On Mar 17, 4:00 pm, Kaz Kylheku wrote: On 2009-03-17, AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote: for those of you who believe in evolution, just think what your forebearers ate: lots of veggies & fruit they gathered, and all the meat they could hunt down. In other words, /lean/ protein, carbohydrates, and exercise. they did not farm grains, which are the main carbs of our diet. Not only that, but farming is also a main source of animal and vegetable fat. I don't think they had any grains similar to what we have today to farm, even if they could. The grains we have today only exist because they were selected and developed to produce the grains. Like they started with some grain that was small, almost useless or inedible. Then they'd find an abnormally large one, or a tastey one, or hopefully both and save the seed and replant it, continuing that process for God knows how long, until they had the big, useable grains that emerged in the last few thousand years. That process is how a type of grass became corn in Mexico. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other than corn, the wild ancestors of our domestic grains still exist. They happen to be a useable size in their wild form. The primitives gathered everything that was edible, fruits, veggies, SEEDS (which grains generally happen to be), and nuts. Corn is a real mystery as it is unclear how it might have developed. No one has yet figured out what it came from. To get interesting information on grains, their use and the eventual metamorphosis to farming, the book "Guns, Germs, and Steel" is an interesting read. |
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CNN article: Low-fat? Low-carbs? Answering best diet question
On Mar 17, 11:28*pm, "Dee Flint" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mar 17, 4:00 pm, Kaz Kylheku wrote: On 2009-03-17, AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote: for those of you who believe in evolution, just think what your forebearers ate: lots of veggies & fruit they gathered, and all the meat they could hunt down. In other words, /lean/ protein, carbohydrates, and exercise. they did not farm grains, which are the main carbs of our diet. Not only that, but farming is also a main source of animal and vegetable fat. I don't think they had any grains similar to what we have today to farm, even if they could. * * The grains we have today only exist because they were selected and developed to produce the grains. *Like they started with some grain that was small, almost useless or inedible. * *Then they'd find an abnormally large one, or a tastey one, or hopefully both and save the seed and replant it, continuing that process for God knows how long, until they had the big, useable grains that emerged in the last few thousand years. *That process is how a type of grass became corn in Mexico. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*------------- Other than corn, the wild ancestors of our domestic grains still exist. It's not a question of whether they exist. The question is, how much does it yield, how much grain do you get from a single plant, how tastey/edible is it, how easy is it to grow compared to what we farm today, etc. I suspect the answer is that plants growing in the wild are significantly different than grains we grow today and that difference would limit how much would be available, how much could be consumed, and the nutrient content that someone living off the wild plant would get. Everything we have has been developed to significantly enhance and change it over the time it's been cultivated by man. How about something like an apple? If a hunter-gatherer was lucky enough to find one, how do you think the sugar content, size, resistance to disease /insects that might have destroyed it before it was harvested, etc would compare to the ones we have today? And then top that off by the fact that you can buy the juice today off the shelf and get the juice from God knows how many apples cultivated to be high in sugar in one easy delivery system. That's a big difference from how apples may have been part of a diet of hunter gatherers. They happen to be a useable size in their wild form. *The primitives gathered everything that was edible, fruits, veggies, SEEDS (which grains generally happen to be), and nuts. Corn is a real mystery as it is unclear how it might have developed. *No one has yet figured out what it came from. To get interesting information on grains, their use and the eventual metamorphosis to farming, the book "Guns, Germs, and Steel" is an interesting read. |
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CNN article: Low-fat? Low-carbs? Answering best diet question
"Dee Flint" wrote:
Other than corn, the wild ancestors of our domestic grains still exist. They happen to be a useable size in their wild form. Add they are still in use to make hay for livestock. Hay fields are far less selective about species. The primitives gathered everything that was edible, fruits, veggies, SEEDS (which grains generally happen to be), and nuts. Once it was discovered that plants grow from seeds, deliberate planting started. Once it was understood that "like parent like child" applied to humans, animals and plants, deliberate selective breeding began. Even before deliberate selective breeding farming processes did put some pressure on unifomity - Kill the animal that bolts out of the herd and the result is breeding for docility. Harvest all at once and plant from that harvest and the result is breeding for all ripening together. Neither of those features are bred for in the wild. Corn is a real mystery as it is unclear how it might have developed. *No one has yet figured out what it came from. Not according to recent issues of Discover magazine. Genetic testing shows a specific wild source and a small number of mutations that make it look so different. One trend I like in recent agricultural research is finding wild relatives, finding perenial relatives of them, doing cross polination and selective breeding to produce perenial versions of many food crops. Especially with grain having a perenial version would make huge long term difference in soil erosion. |
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CNN article: Low-fat? Low-carbs? Answering best diet question
Kaz Kylheku wrote:
AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote: for those of you who believe in evolution, just think what your forebearers ate: lots of veggies & fruit they gathered, and all the meat they could hunt down. In other words, /lean/ protein, carbohydrates, and exercise. Seal blubber lean? Where there was a choice among game to hunt the fatter animal types were chosen and eaten. A choice was not always available but stone age huts made out of dozens of mammoth tusks says that our ancient ancestors would eat lots of very fatty meat whenever it was available. With carbohydrates a similar principle applied - When sweeter was available it was preferred. they did not farm grains, which are the main carbs of our diet. Not only that, but farming is also a main source of animal and vegetable fat. Farming increased the reliability of the supply of food animals with more fat and the reliability of the supply of sweet or starchy food plants. Much of the world now lives in a plenty of both having evolved to eat as much of the limited supply as possible. |
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CNN article: Low-fat? Low-carbs? Answering best diet question
"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Mar 17, 4:00 pm, Kaz Kylheku wrote: On 2009-03-17, AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote: for those of you who believe in evolution, just think what your forebearers ate: lots of veggies & fruit they gathered, and all the meat they could hunt down. In other words, /lean/ protein, carbohydrates, and exercise. leaner than the factory farmed meats of today, but not what i'd consider low fat. but it's good fat, full of cla, unlike factory farmed beef. i'd even bet that wild boar fat is good for you. and wild duck and geese still have lots of fat on them. |
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CNN article: Low-fat? Low-carbs? Answering best diet question
"Doug Freyburger" wrote in message ... [snip] Not according to recent issues of Discover magazine. Genetic testing shows a specific wild source and a small number of mutations that make it look so different. One trend I like in recent agricultural research is finding wild relatives, finding perenial relatives of them, doing cross polination and selective breeding to produce perenial versions of many food crops. Especially with grain having a perenial version would make huge long term difference in soil erosion. -------------------------------------------------------------- I'll have to look into that article. Being from Iowa, corn is near and dear to my heart. |
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CNN article: Low-fat? Low-carbs? Answering best diet question
"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" wrote in message ... "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Mar 17, 4:00 pm, Kaz Kylheku wrote: On 2009-03-17, AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote: for those of you who believe in evolution, just think what your forebearers ate: lots of veggies & fruit they gathered, and all the meat they could hunt down. In other words, /lean/ protein, carbohydrates, and exercise. leaner than the factory farmed meats of today, but not what i'd consider low fat. but it's good fat, full of cla, unlike factory farmed beef. i'd even bet that wild boar fat is good for you. and wild duck and geese still have lots of fat on them. You got your quotes mixed up. The part you left in was not written by me. However these primitive ancestors got in a LOT more physical labor than we do now. This makes a huge difference. Also since they died young of accidents (hunting, weather, and many others), war, disease, etc they probably didn't live long enough to develop health problems from their diet. |
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