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Old May 28th, 2012, 11:19 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
James Warren[_2_]
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So this is one of your heroes Dogman?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensa...at-autism-one/

http://tinyurl.com/6p9btw6


It’s no surprise that Jenny McCarthy and Andrew Wakefield, leaders of the anti-vaccine movement, are
speaking at AutismOne. Much more surprising is the presence of Nobel laureate Luc Montagnier,
co-discoverer of the link between the HIV virus and AIDS. What is he doing at this festival of
pseudoscience?

Well, apparently Montagnier has gone off the deep end into pseudoscience himself. He claims that
his new group, Chronimed, has discovered in autistic children

“DNA sequences that emit, in certain conditions, electromagnetic waves. The analysis by
molecular biology techniques allows us to identify these electromagnetic waves as coming from …
bacterial species.”

What the heck? In what seems to be a desperate effort to stay relevant, Montagnier is promoting
wild theories with little scientific basis, and now he is taking advantage of vulnerable parents
(see his appeal here) to push a therapy of long-term antibiotic treatment for autistic children.

This is truly a wacky theory. Montagnier hasn’t been able to publish this in a proper journal, for
a very good reason: it’s nonsense. He claims that quantum field theory – an area of physics in
which he has no qualifications – explains how electromagnetic waves emanating from DNA can explain
not only autism, but also Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, multiple sclerosis, Lyme
disease, and rheumatoid arthritis. Montagnier makes these claims and more in a self-published paper
that he posted on arXiv.

This isn’t Montagnier’s first crazy idea: just a year ago, he claimed that DNA molecules can
teleport between test tubes, also based on some kind of quantum hocus pocus. This crackpot claim
should have been ignored, and it would have been, if not for the fact that Montagnier is a Nobel
laureate. He’s also endorsed homeopathy, another quack treatment.

This is a sad coda to a brilliant medical career. Not only is Montagnier espousing junk science and
tarnishing his own reputation, but he is lending credibility to the AutismOne conference, which is a
festival of hucksters and snake-oil salesman, offering unproven, ineffective, and even harmful
treatments to vulnerable children and their parents.

Autism is a complex, difficult condition. Thousands of researchers are pouring their hearts and
souls into understanding the disease and developing new treatments. AutismOne does a terrible
disservice to autistic children by siphoning away time, energy, and money that could instead go into
real science. We can only hope that it will fade away.
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Old May 28th, 2012, 04:24 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Dogman
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 07:19:59 -0300, James Warren
wrote:

So this is one of your heroes Dogman?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensa...at-autism-one/

http://tinyurl.com/6p9btw6


Excuse me, James, but Montagnier is one of *your* heroes, not mine.
It's *his* theory of AIDS that you apparently cling to, like some two
year old child might cling to his binky.

So keep that article in mind whenever you think about AIDS.

--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman
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Old May 28th, 2012, 04:30 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On 5/28/2012 12:24 PM, Dogman wrote:
On Mon, 28 May 2012 07:19:59 -0300, James
wrote:

So this is one of your heroes Dogman?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensa...at-autism-one/

http://tinyurl.com/6p9btw6


Excuse me, James, but Montagnier is one of *your* heroes, not mine.
It's *his* theory of AIDS that you apparently cling to, like some two
year old child might cling to his binky.

So keep that article in mind whenever you think about AIDS.


I only know of him because of one of YOUR links to support
your feud with trader. What did you use his interview to support?

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Old May 28th, 2012, 05:03 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 12:30:30 -0300, James Warren
wrote:

[...]
So keep that article in mind whenever you think about AIDS.


I only know of him because of one of YOUR links to support
your feud with trader.


That's part of your problem, James. You don't know anything about HIV
or AIDS. Montagnier is one of the co-discoverers of HIV, and his
positions regarding his discovery have changed, back and forth,
several times since then. So you should take his discovery with a
grain of salt, not hook, line, and sinker.

PS: I don't have a feud with Trader. I just think he's an asshole.

And you getting pretty close to one yourself.

--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman
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Old May 28th, 2012, 05:06 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
James Warren
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On 5/28/2012 1:03 PM, Dogman wrote:
On Mon, 28 May 2012 12:30:30 -0300, James Warren
wrote:

[...]
So keep that article in mind whenever you think about AIDS.


I only know of him because of one of YOUR links to support
your feud with trader.


That's part of your problem, James. You don't know anything about HIV
or AIDS. Montagnier is one of the co-discoverers of HIV, and his
positions regarding his discovery have changed, back and forth,
several times since then. So you should take his discovery with a
grain of salt, not hook, line, and sinker.


Didn't this discovery earn him a Nobel? Also this discovery
has been corroborated by numerous others.

Since then apparently, has been a kook.


PS: I don't have a feud with Trader. I just think he's an asshole.

And you getting pretty close to one yourself.


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Old May 28th, 2012, 05:38 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 13:06:36 -0300, James Warren
wrote:

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Didn't this discovery earn him a Nobel? Also this discovery
has been corroborated by numerous others.


Actually, it was stolen from him by Robert Gallo, who's more than a
kook - he's a CROOK. And it was a big scandal at the time.

Since then apparently, has been a kook.


So...your belief that HIV causes AIDS is due to a kook and a crook.

But whatever you do, don't read Duesberg's book!

"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."

--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman
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Old May 28th, 2012, 06:50 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On May 28, 12:38*pm, Dogman wrote:
On Mon, 28 May 2012 13:06:36 -0300, James Warren

wrote:

[...]

Didn't this discovery earn him a Nobel? Also this discovery
has been corroborated by numerous others.


Actually, it was stolen from him by Robert Gallo, who's more than a
kook - he's a CROOK. And it was a big scandal at the time.



Of course James is correct again. Montagnier indeed did
win the Nobel prize for discovering HIV. Gallo, did not.
Now it's also interesting that the Nobel prize in 2008
that Montagnier won was split between him and Harald
Hausen. What did Hausen do to earn his half of the
Nobel prize? He discovered that HPV causes cervical
cancer. Which is really remarkable, since Dogman
claims that no virus can cause cancer period. Yet the
co-recipient of the Nobel with the guy who Dogman uses as a reference
was the scientist who proved it. Ain't
that special?






Since then apparently, has been a kook.


So...your belief that HIV causes AIDS is due to a kook and a crook.



It's quite remarkable how you're the one who first brought
up Montagnier. You gave us a link to a video of him
giving an interview in an attempt to use him to support
your case that HIV doesn't cause AIDS. When it turns
out he's a loon, then you claim James is the one citing
him? Good grief. You'd be a good candidate for
Minister of Information for some two bit dictator.

For the record, I brought up the loony electromagnetic
emissions from DNA claims many posts ago. Apparently
Montagnier presented it at a conference and people
were stunned at how loony it was.




But whatever you do, don't read Duesberg's book!


No problem there. I'd as soon read a book from a
holocaust denier. He's thoroughly discredited himself
for decades. And apparently reading his current stuff
hasn't done you any good because you're completely
incapable of presenting any coherent arguments
supporting Duesburg, just the old "Read the book..."
 




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