Second guessing myself

This morning I was sitting down to a little unusual breakfast or steak and
cheese omelet. I had some left-over steak. Anyway, as I was enjoying this
meal, I just can't help but think back on what our government has been
telling us for so many years about our food pyramid. I guess this breakfast
seemed a little over-the-top for some reason, although I eat homemade
sausage and eggs most mornings. I should get my blood work done, just to
see how I am doing inside. I guess, this way of eating is just so against
what our government has been saying, that it got to me a little. I eat 50g
of carbs +- a day, due to milk consumption and sometimes some fruit and
still lose weight and feel quite good, but I guess I am second guessing
myself a little this morning.

Sorry, I don't want to question anyone, I just am looking for a little
comfort that I am on the right track. Strange, I usually feel great about
this, but steak and cheese and egg for breakfast got to me a little.

A little side note, I am one pound away from the lightest I have ever been
in my adult life. I have NEVER weighed 182, ever!

Curt
--
Started low carb May '03
211/183/180 . . 6'2" 15.78% BF
Age 38
Highest weight 250 5+ years ago

curt wrote:
:: This morning I was sitting down to a little unusual breakfast or
:: steak and cheese omelet. I had some left-over steak. Anyway, as I
:: was enjoying this meal, I just can't help but think back on what our
:: government has been telling us for so many years about our food
:: pyramid. I guess this breakfast seemed a little over-the-top for
:: some reason, although I eat homemade sausage and eggs most mornings.
:: I should get my blood work done, just to see how I am doing inside.
:: I guess, this way of eating is just so against what our government
:: has been saying, that it got to me a little. I eat 50g of carbs +-
:: a day, due to milk consumption and sometimes some fruit and still
:: lose weight and feel quite good, but I guess I am second guessing
:: myself a little this morning.

Get your blood work done 2X per year. That way you have some idea where you
stand.

Have faith.

::
:: Sorry, I don't want to question anyone, I just am looking for a
:: little comfort that I am on the right track. Strange, I usually
:: feel great about this, but steak and cheese and egg for breakfast
:: got to me a little.

Just keep in mind that we have been programmed to think that certain foods
are bad for us. But based on what? Only notions....think about what
animals eat.

::
:: A little side note, I am one pound away from the lightest I have
:: ever been in my adult life. I have NEVER weighed 182, ever!

Sure you have....what comes down, must have gone up!

On 4 Mar 2004 14:40:54 GMT, Ignoramus9863
wrote:

In article , curt wrote:
This morning I was sitting down to a little unusual breakfast or steak
and
cheese omelet. I had some left-over steak. Anyway, as I was enjoying
this
meal, I just can't help but think back on what our government has been
telling us for so many years about our food pyramid. I guess this
breakfast
seemed a little over-the-top for some reason, although I eat homemade
sausage and eggs most mornings. I should get my blood work done, just
to
see how I am doing inside. I guess, this way of eating is just so
against
what our government has been saying, that it got to me a little. I eat
50g
of carbs +- a day, due to milk consumption and sometimes some fruit and
still lose weight and feel quite good, but I guess I am second guessing
myself a little this morning.

Sorry, I don't want to question anyone, I just am looking for a little
comfort that I am on the right track. Strange, I usually feel great
about
this, but steak and cheese and egg for breakfast got to me a little.

A little side note, I am one pound away from the lightest I have ever
been
in my adult life. I have NEVER weighed 182, ever!

Curt

I agree that eating too much meat and eggs does sound over the top and
unbalanced and unreasonable. There is no reason to abuse meat so much
if you are low carbing. You can substitute meat with fish, and eat
more plant based stuff such as nuts, vegetables oils, etc.

I never believed Atkins' bull**** that eating too much meat is
harmless. The burden of proof is on him to prove that it is really
safe long term, and he has not met that burden. Hence, what a sane
person can do is, while low carbing, eat less meat stuff and more
plant stuff.

Well, I never restrict my intake of meat and have raised my HDL and
decreased my total cholesterol/HDL ratio. The problem with studies that
look at meat consumption is that the participants also eat high carb
content. Here are some studies indicating low carb plus meat consupmtion
aren't bad:

http://www.lowcarbresearch.org/lcr/r....asp?catid=200

And Atkins has no burden of proof -- the burden lies with those who have
told us that low fat is great, in the rise of evidence to the contrary,
including multiple studies and waistlines. All low fat did for me was
create and exacerbate my insulin resistance. Now I'm borderline diabetic
to a diet that's based on psuedoscience.

Get your blood work done, but remember that effects of diet affect
more than just a single cholesterol number.

I have no special knowledge to say just how much meat is too much or
what the best macronutrient ratios are. But I am quite willing to stay
away from extremes.

i

I personally think that the "meat is bad" hypothesis is 100% bull****.
See:

http://www.self-help-hub.com/The_Cho...967089700.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/know_you...your_fats.html

--
Bob in CT
Remove ".x" to reply

Curt:

Before starting Atkins, I had this same concern (I'm 52). It took me a year
of low-fat/high fiber eating to drop my cholesterol by 62 points. I was
worried that the high fat of Atkins would negate all my hard work. So, I
went to my doctor before starting the diet.

I was happy to discover she is very knowledgeable about the Atkins diet for
two reasons. First, she has had many patients go on the Atkins diet and seen
their results, and second, SHE went on the Atkins diet after doing quite a
bit of personal research, and lost a great deal of weight!

She told me that I should NOT be concerned about my cholesterol counts, as
she has found that her patients on Atkins have a dramatic drop in "bad
cholesterol" and dramatic increase in "good cholesterol". She added that
even when her patients have gone OFF the diet, their cholesterol *stayed*
lower! She said the same was true for blood pressure. She stated clearly
that in her professional opinion, Atkins has only good effects on
cholesterol, blood pressure, and overall well-being.

I started Atkins at the end of January and am due to go back for re-testing
of my blood work in April. But I'm not concerned (she's been my doctor for
15 years and I have utmost confidence in her opinions!).

Hope this helps,
Joan J



"curt" wrote in message
news
This morning I was sitting down to a little unusual breakfast or steak and
cheese omelet. I had some left-over steak. Anyway, as I was enjoying
this
meal, I just can't help but think back on what our government has been
telling us for so many years about our food pyramid. I guess this
breakfast
seemed a little over-the-top for some reason, although I eat homemade
sausage and eggs most mornings. I should get my blood work done, just to
see how I am doing inside. I guess, this way of eating is just so against
what our government has been saying, that it got to me a little. I eat
50g
of carbs +- a day, due to milk consumption and sometimes some fruit and
still lose weight and feel quite good, but I guess I am second guessing
myself a little this morning.

Sorry, I don't want to question anyone, I just am looking for a little
comfort that I am on the right track. Strange, I usually feel great about
this, but steak and cheese and egg for breakfast got to me a little.

A little side note, I am one pound away from the lightest I have ever been
in my adult life. I have NEVER weighed 182, ever!

Curt
--
Started low carb May '03
211/183/180 . . 6'2" 15.78% BF
Age 38
Highest weight 250 5+ years ago

Ignoramus9863 wrote:
:: In article , Bob in CT
:: wrote:
::: On 4 Mar 2004 14:40:54 GMT, Ignoramus9863
::: wrote:
:::
:::: In article , curt
:::: wrote:
::::: This morning I was sitting down to a little unusual breakfast or
::::: steak and
::::: cheese omelet. I had some left-over steak. Anyway, as I was
::::: enjoying this
::::: meal, I just can't help but think back on what our government has
::::: been telling us for so many years about our food pyramid. I
::::: guess this breakfast
::::: seemed a little over-the-top for some reason, although I eat
::::: homemade sausage and eggs most mornings. I should get my blood
::::: work done, just to
::::: see how I am doing inside. I guess, this way of eating is just so
::::: against
::::: what our government has been saying, that it got to me a little.
::::: I eat 50g
::::: of carbs +- a day, due to milk consumption and sometimes some
::::: fruit and still lose weight and feel quite good, but I guess I am
::::: second guessing myself a little this morning.
:::::
::::: Sorry, I don't want to question anyone, I just am looking for a
::::: little comfort that I am on the right track. Strange, I usually
::::: feel great about
::::: this, but steak and cheese and egg for breakfast got to me a
::::: little.
:::::
::::: A little side note, I am one pound away from the lightest I have
::::: ever been
::::: in my adult life. I have NEVER weighed 182, ever!
:::::
::::: Curt
::::
:::: I agree that eating too much meat and eggs does sound over the top
:::: and unbalanced and unreasonable. There is no reason to abuse meat
:::: so much if you are low carbing. You can substitute meat with fish,
:::: and eat more plant based stuff such as nuts, vegetables oils, etc.
::::
:::: I never believed Atkins' bull**** that eating too much meat is
:::: harmless. The burden of proof is on him to prove that it is really
:::: safe long term, and he has not met that burden. Hence, what a sane
:::: person can do is, while low carbing, eat less meat stuff and more
:::: plant stuff.
:::
::: Well, I never restrict my intake of meat and have raised my HDL and
::: decreased my total cholesterol/HDL ratio.
::
:: Well, it is, first, a question of just how much meat you are eating,
:: whether you exercise, how old are you, and finally, that cholesterol
:: is only part of the story.
::
::: The problem with studies that look at meat consumption is that the
::: participants also eat high carb content. Here are some studies
::: indicating low carb plus meat consupmtion aren't bad:
:::
::: http://www.lowcarbresearch.org/lcr/r....asp?catid=200
::
:: I looked at some of the numerous studies mentioned on that page, and
:: have not found one that would look at long term overeating of meat.
::
:: I am not, by any means, suggesting that "meat is bad". I love meat
:: and eat it almost every day. Meat, liver, eggs, all of that is a
:: staple of my diet.
::
:: What I object to is a notion that there is no such thing as too much
:: meat. I do not believe it and I would want anyone claiming that to
:: meet a high burden of proof. Meaning, take a few people on a high
:: meat diet (where a very high % of calories comes from meat and
:: animal fat), long term, and compare their health closely, and hot
:: just cholesterol.

Yeah, but you're the only one talking about meat overeating. Thus, you are
accusing someone on LC of overeating meat. LC is not a meat diet.

::
:: I do realize that such a study would be expensive, but until I see
:: it, I will not believe that eating too much meat has no ill
:: consequences.
::
::
::: And Atkins has no burden of proof -- the burden lies with those who
::: have told us that low fat is great, in the rise of evidence to the
::: contrary, including multiple studies and waistlines. All low fat
::: did for me was create and exacerbate my insulin resistance. Now
::: I'm borderline diabetic to a diet that's based on psuedoscience.
::
:: I do not believe neither low fatter now meat overeating advocates.

What?

::
:::: Get your blood work done, but remember that effects of diet affect
:::: more than just a single cholesterol number.
::::
:::: I have no special knowledge to say just how much meat is too much
:::: or what the best macronutrient ratios are. But I am quite willing
:::: to stay away from extremes.
::::
:::: i
:::
::: I personally think that the "meat is bad" hypothesis is 100%
::: bull****. See:
:::
:::
http://www.self-help-hub.com/The_Cho...967089700.html
:::
::: http://www.westonaprice.org/know_you...your_fats.html
:::
::
:: High cholesterol is not the only consideration wrt meat eating. Too
:: much protein has a bad effect on bone calcium retention.
::
:: Again, I am not anti meat etc. I am simply objecting to radical and
:: extreme diets such as meat overeating. So far, stating that long term
:: meat overeating is healthy is based, at best, on various suppositions
:: and hypotheses, rather than well tested data.

You should start your own thread on this. IMO, overeating meat is very hard
to do over the long term. It just gets boring as well.

It's amazing that you can be so light and yet have such a high bodyfat
percentage. Perhaps you should hit the weight room.

--
Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little.

Becky P.

"curt" wrote in message
news
This morning I was sitting down to a little unusual breakfast or steak and
cheese omelet. I had some left-over steak. Anyway, as I was enjoying
this
meal, I just can't help but think back on what our government has been
telling us for so many years about our food pyramid. I guess this
breakfast
seemed a little over-the-top for some reason, although I eat homemade
sausage and eggs most mornings. I should get my blood work done, just to
see how I am doing inside. I guess, this way of eating is just so against
what our government has been saying, that it got to me a little. I eat
50g
of carbs +- a day, due to milk consumption and sometimes some fruit and
still lose weight and feel quite good, but I guess I am second guessing
myself a little this morning.

Sorry, I don't want to question anyone, I just am looking for a little
comfort that I am on the right track. Strange, I usually feel great about
this, but steak and cheese and egg for breakfast got to me a little.

A little side note, I am one pound away from the lightest I have ever been
in my adult life. I have NEVER weighed 182, ever!

Curt
--
Started low carb May '03
211/183/180 . . 6'2" 15.78% BF
Age 38
Highest weight 250 5+ years ago

Your body must have cholesterol to function. On the other hand you can get
by just fine without plants. Start your logic from there.

--
Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little.

Becky P.

"Ignoramus9863" wrote in message
...
In article , Bob in CT wrote:
On 4 Mar 2004 14:40:54 GMT, Ignoramus9863
wrote:

In article , curt wrote:
This morning I was sitting down to a little unusual breakfast or steak
and
cheese omelet. I had some left-over steak. Anyway, as I was enjoying
this
meal, I just can't help but think back on what our government has been
telling us for so many years about our food pyramid. I guess this
breakfast
seemed a little over-the-top for some reason, although I eat homemade
sausage and eggs most mornings. I should get my blood work done, just
to
see how I am doing inside. I guess, this way of eating is just so
against
what our government has been saying, that it got to me a little. I
eat
50g
of carbs +- a day, due to milk consumption and sometimes some fruit
and
still lose weight and feel quite good, but I guess I am second
guessing
myself a little this morning.

Sorry, I don't want to question anyone, I just am looking for a little
comfort that I am on the right track. Strange, I usually feel great
about
this, but steak and cheese and egg for breakfast got to me a little.

A little side note, I am one pound away from the lightest I have ever
been
in my adult life. I have NEVER weighed 182, ever!

Curt

I agree that eating too much meat and eggs does sound over the top and
unbalanced and unreasonable. There is no reason to abuse meat so much
if you are low carbing. You can substitute meat with fish, and eat
more plant based stuff such as nuts, vegetables oils, etc.

I never believed Atkins' bull**** that eating too much meat is
harmless. The burden of proof is on him to prove that it is really
safe long term, and he has not met that burden. Hence, what a sane
person can do is, while low carbing, eat less meat stuff and more
plant stuff.

Well, I never restrict my intake of meat and have raised my HDL and
decreased my total cholesterol/HDL ratio.

Well, it is, first, a question of just how much meat you are eating,
whether you exercise, how old are you, and finally, that cholesterol
is only part of the story.

The problem with studies that look at meat consumption is that the
participants also eat high carb content. Here are some studies
indicating low carb plus meat consupmtion aren't bad:

http://www.lowcarbresearch.org/lcr/r....asp?catid=200

I looked at some of the numerous studies mentioned on that page, and
have not found one that would look at long term overeating of meat.

I am not, by any means, suggesting that "meat is bad". I love meat and
eat it almost every day. Meat, liver, eggs, all of that is a staple of
my diet.

What I object to is a notion that there is no such thing as too much
meat. I do not believe it and I would want anyone claiming that to
meet a high burden of proof. Meaning, take a few people on a high meat
diet (where a very high % of calories comes from meat and animal fat),
long term, and compare their health closely, and hot just cholesterol.

I do realize that such a study would be expensive, but until I see it,
I will not believe that eating too much meat has no ill consequences.


And Atkins has no burden of proof -- the burden lies with those who have
told us that low fat is great, in the rise of evidence to the contrary,
including multiple studies and waistlines. All low fat did for me was
create and exacerbate my insulin resistance. Now I'm borderline
diabetic
to a diet that's based on psuedoscience.

I do not believe neither low fatter now meat overeating advocates.

Get your blood work done, but remember that effects of diet affect
more than just a single cholesterol number.

I have no special knowledge to say just how much meat is too much or
what the best macronutrient ratios are. But I am quite willing to stay
away from extremes.

i

I personally think that the "meat is bad" hypothesis is 100% bull****.
See:


http://www.self-help-hub.com/The_Cho...967089700.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/know_you...your_fats.html


High cholesterol is not the only consideration wrt meat eating. Too
much protein has a bad effect on bone calcium retention.

Again, I am not anti meat etc. I am simply objecting to radical and
extreme diets such as meat overeating. So far, stating that long term
meat overeating is healthy is based, at best, on various suppositions
and hypotheses, rather than well tested data.


i