Skipping breakfast...such a bad thing?

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:05:42 -0700, CygnusX-1 wrote:

I know ppl say skipping breakfast is bad, but drinking water
helps..right?

They say so for a reason. IIRC several studies have shown that you need
breakfast if you want to perform at your normal level and be succesful at
weight loss. Not eating breakfast can lead to cravings during the morning
and will probably result in you eating more lunch. Our digestive system is
optimized to small bits, so even if you eat a small breakfast and then
have a snack at work, you'd be doing better than having no breakfast.

I take no more than 5 minutes for my breakfast if I need to, although I
prefer to enjoy the time with my family and generally free an hour for it.

Isn't it good to excercise on an empty stomach?

I prefer not to, as I get dizzy.

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-- Boemsi
207 - 192 - 180

Ignoramus24885 wrote:
In article , Dally wrote:

And a pretty high dose of simple carbs, too. Those are refined flour
bagels. I eat 1/2 a whole wheat bagel with light cream cheese and
pieces of lox on top for breakfast most days.


You may not get the benefit of low glycemic index if you replace a
regular bagel with a whole wheat bagel.

http://www.runningplanet.com/article...article_id=430
Whole wheat bread 75
Bagel, white 72

You're comparing two different things. Whole wheat bread and whole
wheat bagels are different things. Besides, a gylcemic index difference
of 3 points before you add the salmon and cheese is negligible in the
total load.

If you like to eat bagels, fine, but, in your instance you are not
likely to get a real benefit from substituting white flour bagels with
whole wheat.

So your suggestion is that it doesn't matter whether you eat 1/2 whole
wheat bagel or an entire refined flour raisin bagel, it all works out to
be the same?

No, don't answer that. I'm heading out for the week-end and I wouldn't
see it.

Dally

Ignoramus24885 wrote:
In article , Dally wrote:

And a pretty high dose of simple carbs, too. Those are refined flour
bagels. I eat 1/2 a whole wheat bagel with light cream cheese and
pieces of lox on top for breakfast most days.


You may not get the benefit of low glycemic index if you replace a
regular bagel with a whole wheat bagel.

http://www.runningplanet.com/article...article_id=430
Whole wheat bread 75
Bagel, white 72

You're comparing two different things. Whole wheat bread and whole
wheat bagels are different things. Besides, a gylcemic index difference
of 3 points before you add the salmon and cheese is negligible in the
total load.

If you like to eat bagels, fine, but, in your instance you are not
likely to get a real benefit from substituting white flour bagels with
whole wheat.

So your suggestion is that it doesn't matter whether you eat 1/2 whole
wheat bagel or an entire refined flour raisin bagel, it all works out to
be the same?

No, don't answer that. I'm heading out for the week-end and I wouldn't
see it.

Dally

rosie wrote:

thanks for the site dally......................i am not a fan of the
BFL program.


That's okay, I'm not a fan of Atkins.

Doesn't make it wrong, though.

Dally

rosie wrote:

thanks for the site dally......................i am not a fan of the
BFL program.


That's okay, I'm not a fan of Atkins.

Doesn't make it wrong, though.

Dally

"Ignoramus24885" wrote in message
...
In article , Dally wrote:
Ignoramus24885 wrote:
In article , Dally wrote:

And a pretty high dose of simple carbs, too. Those are refined flour
bagels. I eat 1/2 a whole wheat bagel with light cream cheese and
pieces of lox on top for breakfast most days.


You may not get the benefit of low glycemic index if you replace a
regular bagel with a whole wheat bagel.

http://www.runningplanet.com/article...article_id=430
Whole wheat bread 75
Bagel, white 72

You're comparing two different things. Whole wheat bread and whole
wheat bagels are different things.

Agreed, but, my giess, not very different things. Even refined flour
bagels are somehow different from "wonderbread", and whole wheat
bagels would be (it is my guess) similar to whole wheat bread. my
guess is that the GI of your whole wheat bagel would be also around
70.

Besides, a gylcemic index difference of 3 points before you add the
salmon and cheese is negligible in the total load.

Exactly my point. So I agree.

If you like to eat bagels, fine, but, in your instance you are not
likely to get a real benefit from substituting white flour bagels with
whole wheat.

So your suggestion is that it doesn't matter whether you eat 1/2 whole
wheat bagel or an entire refined flour raisin bagel, it all works out to
be the same?

I don't know what will be the contribution of raisins, but a half
bagel is, obviously, less carbs than a whole bagel.

GI is tricky and leads to quite a bit of confusion.

Add raisins, and GI changes.

Whole wheat bagels probably have sugar added, likely more than regular
bread. That's my speculation.

i

Well that's as good as fact, isn't it?

You are making a lot of assumptions based on the little you know. Dally
didn't mention any brands or where she gets her bagels but as usual you've
decided someone who isn't you is obviously too stupid to read a label or
learn what they're putting in their mouth.

FYI, my husband eats bagels that are whole grain wheat and are baked without
sugar.

Jenn

"Ignoramus24885" wrote in message
...
In article , Dally wrote:
Ignoramus24885 wrote:
In article , Dally wrote:

And a pretty high dose of simple carbs, too. Those are refined flour
bagels. I eat 1/2 a whole wheat bagel with light cream cheese and
pieces of lox on top for breakfast most days.


You may not get the benefit of low glycemic index if you replace a
regular bagel with a whole wheat bagel.

http://www.runningplanet.com/article...article_id=430
Whole wheat bread 75
Bagel, white 72

You're comparing two different things. Whole wheat bread and whole
wheat bagels are different things.

Agreed, but, my giess, not very different things. Even refined flour
bagels are somehow different from "wonderbread", and whole wheat
bagels would be (it is my guess) similar to whole wheat bread. my
guess is that the GI of your whole wheat bagel would be also around
70.

Besides, a gylcemic index difference of 3 points before you add the
salmon and cheese is negligible in the total load.

Exactly my point. So I agree.

If you like to eat bagels, fine, but, in your instance you are not
likely to get a real benefit from substituting white flour bagels with
whole wheat.

So your suggestion is that it doesn't matter whether you eat 1/2 whole
wheat bagel or an entire refined flour raisin bagel, it all works out to
be the same?

I don't know what will be the contribution of raisins, but a half
bagel is, obviously, less carbs than a whole bagel.

GI is tricky and leads to quite a bit of confusion.

Add raisins, and GI changes.

Whole wheat bagels probably have sugar added, likely more than regular
bread. That's my speculation.

i

Well that's as good as fact, isn't it?

You are making a lot of assumptions based on the little you know. Dally
didn't mention any brands or where she gets her bagels but as usual you've
decided someone who isn't you is obviously too stupid to read a label or
learn what they're putting in their mouth.

FYI, my husband eats bagels that are whole grain wheat and are baked without
sugar.

Jenn

On 26 Aug 2004 07:05:42 -0700, (CygnusX-1)
wrote:

Due to my busy schedule, I don't have time to eat breakast
at home. Thus while at work, I would get a cinamon raisan bagel,
low fat cream cheese, and cranberry juice. But looking at the
calorie count, thats probably over 400 calories (and nearly $3.50
out of my pocket)! During my diet competition, I skipped breakfast
but drank about 2 quarts of water. After the diet competition
ended, I started back having the bagel breakfast. Now I am trying
to stop, since I getting back addicted to them ;-) I know ppl
say skipping breakfast is bad, but drinking water helps..right? Isn't
it good to excercise on an empty stomach? By lunch, I normally
would have walked about 3 miles at a fast pace. Let me add that
for lunch I tend to have a salad or sandwich.

Cygnus
The Bringer of Balance

I think it's better from a diet perspective to eat breakfast, because
it increases your metabolic rate over what it was while you were
sleeping. And the more of the day you spend at a higher metabolic
rate, the more calories you burn. It also should make you more alert
and productive in the morning.

Can you take something with you to work for breakfast, or have
something you can eat on the way there? If you have a microwave at
work, maybe you could keep a supply of cook-in-the-microwave oatmeal
packs? Or take some fruit and cheese or meat with you -- to eat at
work or on the way? The bagel and cranberry juice aren't the best
choices -- pretty high in calories for what you get nutritionally.

There's no real merit ot exercising on an empty stomach. Doing
intense exercise with a too-full stomach can make you feel ill, and
obviously that should be avoided, but other than that it's better to
eat something first.

Chris
262/141/ (145-150)

On 26 Aug 2004 07:05:42 -0700, (CygnusX-1)
wrote:

Due to my busy schedule, I don't have time to eat breakast
at home. Thus while at work, I would get a cinamon raisan bagel,
low fat cream cheese, and cranberry juice. But looking at the
calorie count, thats probably over 400 calories (and nearly $3.50
out of my pocket)! During my diet competition, I skipped breakfast
but drank about 2 quarts of water. After the diet competition
ended, I started back having the bagel breakfast. Now I am trying
to stop, since I getting back addicted to them ;-) I know ppl
say skipping breakfast is bad, but drinking water helps..right? Isn't
it good to excercise on an empty stomach? By lunch, I normally
would have walked about 3 miles at a fast pace. Let me add that
for lunch I tend to have a salad or sandwich.

Cygnus
The Bringer of Balance

I think it's better from a diet perspective to eat breakfast, because
it increases your metabolic rate over what it was while you were
sleeping. And the more of the day you spend at a higher metabolic
rate, the more calories you burn. It also should make you more alert
and productive in the morning.

Can you take something with you to work for breakfast, or have
something you can eat on the way there? If you have a microwave at
work, maybe you could keep a supply of cook-in-the-microwave oatmeal
packs? Or take some fruit and cheese or meat with you -- to eat at
work or on the way? The bagel and cranberry juice aren't the best
choices -- pretty high in calories for what you get nutritionally.

There's no real merit ot exercising on an empty stomach. Doing
intense exercise with a too-full stomach can make you feel ill, and
obviously that should be avoided, but other than that it's better to
eat something first.

Chris
262/141/ (145-150)

"Patricia Heil" wrote in message
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No. The point about breakfast is that your brain needs the calories after
going without all night.

Actually, the brain burns calories throughout the night, it's not like it
ever shuts down or anything. And anyway, the liver dumps some glucose into
the bloodstream first thing in the morning (which is actually a problem for
some diabetics), so the brain gets his extra calories right when you open
your eyes. The liver and glucose stores are usually around 1200 calories, so
unless you emptied them, that's plenty enough to survive the whole day.
There is a lot of breakfast propaganda coming from the breakfast industry.
Like, my local pharmacy has a large poster telling me the large amount of
things I should try to stuff myself for breakfast (which would cause me to
vomit if I tried). When you look at the fine print, the poster is actually
paid by Lu, which manufactures those marvelous biscuits (hydrogenated fats,
wheat syrup, white flour) which are supposed to replace the milk and cereals
from the breakfast. So, more and more people in my country moved from a
light breakfast (black coffee and optionnal croissant or single toast) to a
full blown dietetic breakfast (coffee, milk/yogourt, cereals, fruit, egg...)
under the presure of dietitians, advertisement, doctors... So far, the net
effect is that we are finally catching up with the USA on the obesity race,
while we used to be among the worst performers.

I always schedule fasting cholesterol tests as
early in the morning as possible because I know from experience that if I
don't eat in the morning, I get really nasty and have trouble making good
decisions, and I often have to break religious fasts short due to
headaches.

That's a very personnal thing, it depends on the people, and it even changes
as you age. It also depends on what you ate for dinner (if I have a large
dinner, I can go without eating up to 2pm with no problem), and your
particular diet (high carb or not)... I do most of my fasting tests at 10am,
because I don't like getting up early *just* to go to the lab, and I only
feel moderately hungry at that time.
Many countries have only a symbolic breakfast (France, Spain, Italy, most of
the mediterrannea), and people just adjust to that. The difference is that
they tend to have a good dinner late. The countries that have a large
breakfast tend to have an early and light dinner, so it all balances out.
Except in the USA, where both breakfast and dinner are heavy.

I don't think exercising before breakfast is a bad thing, it's my best
time
for extremely long walks because I can get them done before it gets too
warm. But I never skip breakfast.

You don't need glucose for long moderate activity sport, since you will
exhaust whatever glucose store you have and switch to fat metabolism anyway.
It's all a matter of preference. If I eat, especially carbs, before a walk,
I will be buzzing with nervous energy and able to cold start very fast with
no trouble. On an empty stomach, it feels more like setting for a long walk
with the energy to keep going for hours (which eventually happens with carbs
too). It all depends on my mood of the day.