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Steve wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:04:21 -0400, nimue wrote (in message ): snip You are the kind of person up with whom I cannot put :-) Good one. Did you know there actually is nothing wrong with ending a sentence with a preposition? If I had a social life, I might not know that, but fortunately I don't -- therefore, I can spend my free time reading Strunk and White or Woe is I. I read Fowler. Strunk and White is entirely too tolerant and liberal. Whoops -- pressed "send" too fast. Isn't Fowler English -- as opposed to American? Steve -- nimue "Because the thing about the Nerds, what made them so appealing, was that not only are they underdogs, they are underdogs who accept other underdogs unconditionally. And that speaks volumes to people." Curtis Armstrong "I don't understand why you don't want to see more of Spike. More Spike makes everything better. Spike, Spike, Spike, wonderful Spike." Clairel "There are things I will not tolerate: students loitering on campus after school, horrible murders with hearts being removed... and also smoking." Principal Snyder |
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grammar, etc.
well the problem with correcting people is this.
99% of the time the correction comes and is used in battle as part of ones attack on another. a way of side stepping the issue. Personally I see Newsgroups like chat (on and off line) its casual. I got sick of remembering which their or there to use. I just type which ever keys my fingers his. When I say. Their and There over the phone you can NOT tell the difference. having to spellings is assinine. they are not defined by their spelling (as proven in spoken speech) they are defined by their CONTEXT. I live over there. I live over their. spoken both are proper. because the context defines that the there is for position or place and not posession (their) so having to spelling of a word that is context driven to me is just some english person trying to justify their existance by making our lives miserable by making one more useless word :-) hehehe When I write a letter I watch my grammar and spelling. When I make a speech I watch my grammar and spelling. When I am chit chatting I do not watch so carefully. its just not important enough. I post to a lot of forums in a very short time. if I were to carefully watch my spelling and grammar in all posts it would take me HOURS instead of minutes. it just is not worth it. Now when that grammar and spelling get bad enough to the point of NOT being able to understand one another, OK, now you have a problem. I do not even SEE most mistakes in others people's writing on here. Why ? because my mind just "fixes" it without me even knowing it. Most of the time people correct because either 1 they are trained to (teacher) or 2 they are flaming. Losing the batterl and toss it out as chaf to distract people from their lose. IE they use it as a weapon. Just my take on it. Grammar ok I have a problem their. Laziness mostly. Spelling. thats the typing. everyone inmy family comes to me for spelling issues. but I type very very fast and as a result sometimes sloppy. note ^ Chris Taylor http://www.nerys.com/ "Lindabird" wrote in message ... "nimue" wrote in message ... Lindabird wrote: I saved this from a Usenet Newbie FAQ somewhere long ago. I'm a grammar/spelling freak, too, but I thought it was good advice for me to just "get off (of) my high horse" and not do the English teacher thing. :0) "Don't send a reply just to point out spelling or grammar mistakes. That's pretty poor behavior. Since we aren't in kindergarten anymore, and you probably aren't too stupid to guess what the author meant, you can certainly overlook these errors." I do, most of the time. However, I AM an English teacher who was raised by an English teacher, and I find it very difficult NOT to correct people's grammar... I also appreciate a polite correction - always! I think we're probably in the minority, though. Useless piece of trivia: I was really torn between English ed. and music ed. as my college major - I went with music, which is really my first love, but I think I would have been happy teaching English. It's an everyday occurrence in my rehearsals to correct my students' grammar mistakes. I jokingly threaten them with detention if I hear "I ain't got no" or "I didn't do nothin'" one more time. Heh. Bird, who thinks spelling/usage should be a stand-alone compulsory class, 6-12 |
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grammar, etc.
I agree. but I also wish they would simplify the english laguage just a
little. there are so many aspects of the english language that are just useless chaff. It is the most DIFFICULT language on the planet to learn. (or was it the second with chinese being first ?) Chris Taylor http://www.nerys.com/ I agree! My students are not allowed to use bad grammar in class -- ever. They need to get used to using correct grammar when they speak. Yes, I can understand what they are saying when they don't -- but what if they speak that way during a college interview? I believe (hope and pray) that if they know they have to speak correctly in English class at least, they can somehow channel that experience during the important interview moments of their lives. Actually, I wish they would fall in love with grammar, and always speak beautifully! -- nimue |
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"nimue" wrote in message news Steve wrote: On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 11:10:30 -0400, nimue wrote (in message ): Lindabird wrote: -- Bird ============================ Contact me at lindabird --- a t --- musician dot o r g "nimue" wrote in message ... Curious by nature wrote: Irregardless Irregardless is not a word. Regardless *is* a word. It means "without regard to." That is the word you want. Sorry -- it's a very common mistake, and it's just a pet peeve of mine. Dr Atkins has helped many people. Why should he not of should not HAVE, not of I saved this from a Usenet Newbie FAQ somewhere long ago. I'm a grammar/spelling freak, too, but I thought it was good advice for me to just "get off (of) my high horse" and not do the English teacher thing. :0) "Don't send a reply just to point out spelling or grammar mistakes. That's pretty poor behavior. Since we aren't in kindergarten anymore, and you probably aren't too stupid to guess what the author meant, you can certainly overlook these errors." I do, most of the time. However, I AM an English teacher who was raised by an English teacher, and I find it very difficult NOT to correct people's grammar. You may not believe me, but it seems almost sinful to me not to correct certain mistakes. As I said, I usually just ignore the errors -- EXCEPT for my pet peeves. "Irregardless" is a pet peeve of mine. I spent ALL WEEKcorrecting the "should OFs" and "could OFs" in my freshman classes' papers, so that "of" is a pet peeve as well. (Don't even get me started on subject pronouns v. object pronouns or apostrophes!) Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with politely correcting "irregardless." I think it is rude to continue to allow someone to make such a mistake over and over -- and that is what would happen if we didn't help that person with a little constructive correction. If we don't receive instruction, we don't learn. I appreciate polite correction -- knowledge is power, after all. You are the kind of person up with whom I cannot put :-) Good one. Did you know there actually is nothing wrong with ending a sentence with a preposition? If I had a social life, I might not know that, but fortunately I don't -- therefore, I can spend my free time reading Strunk and White or Woe is I. Yep it is a left over from the days when it was thought that english should follow the rules of latin, even though it is not a romance language. revek |
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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 23:45:24 GMT, BJPruett
wrote: I'm afraid that I had to chuckle at the suggestion that it is "suspicious" that Dr. Atkins had no provision for a thorough autopsy in his will. I have a will, as do all of my friends. We're ages 50 - 80. Not a single one of us has a provision in our will for a thorough autopsy when we die. Who would care if you did? |
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 03:03:18 GMT, "bob"
wrote: I myself would not worry about the long term effects of atkins on the heart, I would since most Atkins dieters have horribly high amounts of sat fat in their diets. |
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Regardless /Irregardless ...........
Curious by nature wrote:
Irregardless Irregardless is not a word. Regardless *is* a word. Pronunciation: "ir-i-'gärd-l&s Function: adverb Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless Date: circa 1912 nonstandard : REGARDLESS usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that "there is no such word." There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Pronunciation Key © 2001 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated Merriam-Webster Privacy Policy Curious by nature wrote: Irregardless Irregardless is not a word. Regardless *is* a word. It means "without regard to." That Curious by nature wrote: Irregardless Irregardless is not a word. Regardless *is* a word. It means "without regard to." That |
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Steve wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep. 2003 14:31:31 -0400, nimue wrote (in message ): Steve wrote: On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:04:21 -0400, nimue wrote (in message ): snip You are the kind of person up with whom I cannot put :-) Good one. Did you know there actually is nothing wrong with ending a sentence with a preposition? If I had a social life, I might not know that, but fortunately I don't -- therefore, I can spend my free time reading Strunk and White or Woe is I. I read Fowler. Strunk and White is entirely too tolerant and liberal. Whoops -- pressed "send" too fast. Isn't Fowler English -- as opposed to American? American? What language is that? I thought you were an English teacher- descended from a long line of English teachers. Next you'll be using an Ebonics text. Harumph! Oh, you crusty professor, you! My sister just finished her Master's in England last year. She used to email us her papers so we could help her proofread them. This is when I REALLY became aware of the very real differences between English and American. For example, in England, punctuation after quoted material always goes OUTSIDE the quotation marks. In America, punctuation usually goes inside. Little differences like that made proofreading her papers difficult. Steve -- nimue "Because the thing about the Nerds, what made them so appealing, was that not only are they underdogs, they are underdogs who accept other underdogs unconditionally. And that speaks volumes to people." Curtis Armstrong "I don't understand why you don't want to see more of Spike. More Spike makes everything better. Spike, Spike, Spike, wonderful Spike." Clairel "There are things I will not tolerate: students loitering on campus after school, horrible murders with hearts being removed... and also smoking." Principal Snyder |
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Steve wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:42:41 -0400, nimue wrote (in message ): Oh, you crusty professor, you! As I recall, it was you who started this thread, tut-tutting someone else's usage. Look who is calling who "crusty" :-) Steve Now, now! Shouldn't it be "look who is calling WHOM 'crusty'"? (Laughing hysterically -- thinks this is really funny -- can't wait to show English teacher friends -- thinks this may explain lack of social life.) -- nimue "Because the thing about the Nerds, what made them so appealing, was that not only are they underdogs, they are underdogs who accept other underdogs unconditionally. And that speaks volumes to people." Curtis Armstrong "I don't understand why you don't want to see more of Spike. More Spike makes everything better. Spike, Spike, Spike, wonderful Spike." Clairel "There are things I will not tolerate: students loitering on campus after school, horrible murders with hearts being removed... and also smoking." Principal Snyder |
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