need snack suggestion

"Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message
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"Willow" wrote in message
m...
To much of anything will get you sick... but how do you define too much
proteines ?

$$ If you eat excess proteins you're body converts them to carbohydrates
and
stores them as fat.

Can you provide some proof of this statement??? This is something that I
have never heard before.

Be carefull about those "food warnings" if you listen to all of them you
won't eat anything..

$$ AMEN!!!! I've already heard dietitians contradict other dietitians on
TV.....

"Laura" wrote in message
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"Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message
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"Willow" wrote in message
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To much of anything will get you sick... but how do you define too
much
proteines ?

$$ If you eat excess proteins you're body converts them to carbohydrates
and
stores them as fat.

Can you provide some proof of this statement??? This is something that I
have never heard before.
====================
Nor did I until read the low-carb websites 3 years ago. I often wondered
what happened to excess protein - now I know. And sorry, but I don't save
all the URLS I go to on the net. I'm sure you can find the info easily if
you Google a bit. :-)
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 167 / 140 lb
==========================================

"Beck" wrote in message
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"Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message
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"Beck" wrote in message
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Was watching UK Food today and there was a lady on there who said
whenever
you snack on fruit, the natural sugars give you an energy boost making
your
more hungry, so you should eat a form of protein with the fruit like a
handful of nuts which counteracts the sugars and makes you less hungry
afterwards.
========================
Nuts are very high in calories/fats! You'll go through a lot of points
"fast" with them (only 7 pecans are 5 pts). It's the FAT in nuts that
curbs
hunger, not protein. The high fat in most low-carb diets is how people
can
make the claim that they're "never hungry." Check the low-carb NGs for
more
info on that. I'm avoiding nuts for the time being.

Well this was a nutritionalist,

## Which doesn't mean they're right. Look how FAT American's are by
listening to *nutritionists* for the past 25 years. We ate less fats and
more carbs and we're still dying from the same disease - this time due to
OBESITY! According to that NYTImes article last year they're taking a
closer look at the old food pyramid and having second thoughts.

I am sure she knew what she was talking
about. Not that I doubt what you say, but maybe there is a particular
reason why she recommended it.

## The reason is the HIGH number of calories packed into those nuts would
kill almost anyone's appetite for awhile. But do you want all those
CALORIES? I can eat lunch for only 3 points, so why would I want a snack
that uses up 5 points? Why would anyone?

Perhaps it is because peanuts contain omega
3 unsaturated fats which are good for you as opposed to saturated fats and
actually help to reduce cholesterol.

## Anyone sticking to the WW diet plan is very unlikely to have a
cholesterol problem. :-) But keep in mind they've recently discovered
it's also a TRIGLICERIDE problem that causes heart disease (clogs). And
that's related to CARBS, not saturated fats. When I was on low-carb my
cholesterol dropped from 230 to 185. My triglicerides also dropped but I
don't remember the numbers.

Very interesting article here about nuts and how they can really help with
weight loss and your general health.
http://umanitoba.fitdv.com/new/artic...html?artid=224

## Well if you eat 5 Pts worth of nuts, and only 7 nuts are not a lot, that
means you have to eat 5 Pts *less* of something else that's also healthy.
Until I reach goal weight I would rather have a nice plate of baked fish (or
chicken) with a cup of spinach or cauliflower than only 7 pecans. But hey,
that's just me! :-)
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 167 / 140 lb
==========================================

"Beck" wrote in message
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Here is an even better article which explains why peanuts are very good
for
you.
http://greatdayamerica.com/health/nu.../peanuts.shtml
====================
I didn't say they weren't GOOD for you - please see my post above this one
regarding Pts and nuts.
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 167 / 140 lb
==========================================

$$ If you eat excess proteins you're body converts them to carbohydrates
and
stores them as fat.

Nor did I until read the low-carb websites 3 years ago. I often
wondered what happened to excess protein - now I know. And sorry, but
I don't save all the URLS I go to on the net. I'm sure you can find
the info easily if you Google a bit. :-)

Actually, you'll find that what really happens to excess protein is
this, basically:
1. Protein is broken down into its constituent amino acids (the building
blocks of protein).
2. The body uses what it can directly for growth and repair of body
cells.
3. If the wrong sort of amino acid, for that which is required, are
ingested, the liver converts them into more useful amino acids it can
use via a process called transamination.
4. Any amino acids still left over after these two processes are broken
down in a process called deamination, which strips the nitrogenous parts
of the molecule off, producing urea (which is mildly toxic, but not as
toxic as free amino acids flooding your system in vast quantities), uric
acid (the main ingredient in kidney stones) and ammonia (which is deadly
toxic and can mess up your blood chemistry and give you heart attacks).
The rest of the molecule then gets fed into the same system as
carbohydrates and fat and is broken down into energy or taken into the
fat stores.
5. The urea is extracted from the blood by the kidneys and removed from
the body as urine.

So the correct answer to the question "What happens to excess protein?"
is that some of it is broken down to produce energy, but the rest of it
poisons your system and has to be removed by the liver and kidneys. So
it's really not a good idea to have too much.

You are unlikely to read this on most low-carb websites however, as I
would imagine it might be a bit scary for people.

OTOH, being morbidly obese is also dangerous, so for some people it's a
case of weighing up the lesser of two evils.
--
Anna (in UK)
Start Weight: 174 lbs
Goal Weight: 146 lbs
Current Weight: 165.5 lbs

this is more in line with the information that my doctor told me years ago.

So the statement made by ~wysong~:

"If you eat excess proteins you're body converts them to carbohydrates and
stores them as fat."

is totally FALSE...

Thank you for clarifying that misconception.

"Anna H." wrote in message
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$$ If you eat excess proteins you're body converts them to
carbohydrates
and
stores them as fat.

Nor did I until read the low-carb websites 3 years ago. I often
wondered what happened to excess protein - now I know. And sorry, but
I don't save all the URLS I go to on the net. I'm sure you can find
the info easily if you Google a bit. :-)

Actually, you'll find that what really happens to excess protein is
this, basically:
1. Protein is broken down into its constituent amino acids (the building
blocks of protein).
2. The body uses what it can directly for growth and repair of body
cells.
3. If the wrong sort of amino acid, for that which is required, are
ingested, the liver converts them into more useful amino acids it can
use via a process called transamination.
4. Any amino acids still left over after these two processes are broken
down in a process called deamination, which strips the nitrogenous parts
of the molecule off, producing urea (which is mildly toxic, but not as
toxic as free amino acids flooding your system in vast quantities), uric
acid (the main ingredient in kidney stones) and ammonia (which is deadly
toxic and can mess up your blood chemistry and give you heart attacks).
The rest of the molecule then gets fed into the same system as
carbohydrates and fat and is broken down into energy or taken into the
fat stores.
5. The urea is extracted from the blood by the kidneys and removed from
the body as urine.

So the correct answer to the question "What happens to excess protein?"
is that some of it is broken down to produce energy, but the rest of it
poisons your system and has to be removed by the liver and kidneys. So
it's really not a good idea to have too much.

You are unlikely to read this on most low-carb websites however, as I
would imagine it might be a bit scary for people.

OTOH, being morbidly obese is also dangerous, so for some people it's a
case of weighing up the lesser of two evils.
--
Anna (in UK)
Start Weight: 174 lbs
Goal Weight: 146 lbs
Current Weight: 165.5 lbs

"Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message
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"Beck" wrote in message
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"Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message
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"Beck" wrote in message
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Was watching UK Food today and there was a lady on there who said
whenever
you snack on fruit, the natural sugars give you an energy boost making
your
more hungry, so you should eat a form of protein with the fruit like a
handful of nuts which counteracts the sugars and makes you less hungry
afterwards.
========================
Nuts are very high in calories/fats! You'll go through a lot of points
"fast" with them (only 7 pecans are 5 pts). It's the FAT in nuts that
curbs
hunger, not protein. The high fat in most low-carb diets is how people
can
make the claim that they're "never hungry." Check the low-carb NGs for
more
info on that. I'm avoiding nuts for the time being.

Well this was a nutritionalist,

## Which doesn't mean they're right. Look how FAT American's are by
listening to *nutritionists* for the past 25 years. We ate less fats and
more carbs and we're still dying from the same disease - this time due to
OBESITY! According to that NYTImes article last year they're taking a
closer look at the old food pyramid and having second thoughts.

I am sure she knew what she was talking
about. Not that I doubt what you say, but maybe there is a particular
reason why she recommended it.

## The reason is the HIGH number of calories packed into those nuts would
kill almost anyone's appetite for awhile. But do you want all those
CALORIES? I can eat lunch for only 3 points, so why would I want a snack
that uses up 5 points? Why would anyone?

Perhaps it is because peanuts contain omega
3 unsaturated fats which are good for you as opposed to saturated fats
and
actually help to reduce cholesterol.

## Anyone sticking to the WW diet plan is very unlikely to have a
cholesterol problem. :-) But keep in mind they've recently discovered
it's also a TRIGLICERIDE problem that causes heart disease (clogs). And
that's related to CARBS, not saturated fats. When I was on low-carb my
cholesterol dropped from 230 to 185. My triglicerides also dropped but I
don't remember the numbers.

Very interesting article here about nuts and how they can really help
with
weight loss and your general health.
http://umanitoba.fitdv.com/new/artic...html?artid=224

## Well if you eat 5 Pts worth of nuts, and only 7 nuts are not a lot,
that
means you have to eat 5 Pts *less* of something else that's also healthy.
Until I reach goal weight I would rather have a nice plate of baked fish
(or
chicken) with a cup of spinach or cauliflower than only 7 pecans. But
hey,
that's just me! :-)

Sorry I was not trying to cause an arguement I hope it didn't seem that way.
The problem is that we all rely on different sorts of media for our needs,
its the same for anything in life, not just diet. Unfortunately as shown
here there are contradicting opinions as to what is good and what isn't. I
see reports on tv or net or whatever, and other people disagree and it all
gets a bit too much and my delicate mind cannot understand it all :-)
So many people struggle with their weight and when people like myself rely
on media to help out it can throw people into all sorts of directions.
"This is good, that is good, oh no we change our mind that is not good and
neither is that!!! " We get that all the time, no wonder we cannot keep up
with forever changing health requirements.
They have been saying for years that we shoudl eat 5 fruit and veg a day,
but I have seen recent research to suggest that actually no, we do not need
that amount.

BTW I have lost 4lb in 3 days. It may seem too much, but I think most of
that is water loss.

I eat a few nuts pretty much every day.....
--
Lesanne
365/161.5/164

"Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message
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"Beck" wrote in message
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Was watching UK Food today and there was a lady on there who said
whenever
you snack on fruit, the natural sugars give you an energy boost making
your
more hungry, so you should eat a form of protein with the fruit like a
handful of nuts which counteracts the sugars and makes you less hungry
afterwards.
========================
Nuts are very high in calories/fats! You'll go through a lot of points
"fast" with them (only 7 pecans are 5 pts). It's the FAT in nuts that
curbs
hunger, not protein. The high fat in most low-carb diets is how people
can
make the claim that they're "never hungry." Check the low-carb NGs for
more
info on that. I'm avoiding nuts for the time being.
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 167 / 140 lb
==========================================

In message , Lesanne
writes
I eat a few nuts pretty much every day.....

Nuts are great preventatives for diabetes (a handful of nuts a week can
reduce your risk of diabetes by 60%, or improve the condition if you
already have it), as well as certain cancers.

However, I've developed an allergy to some nuts and have been told to
avoid all nuts and peanuts until I can see the allergy specialist

If it wasn't for that, I too would be eating a few points worth of nuts
every day.
--
Anna (in UK)
Start Weight: 174 lbs
Goal Weight: 146 lbs
Current Weight: 165.5 lbs

They are very satisfying to me. I have a quarter cup measure I use to dip
them out of the pack with, and although the hunger does not go instantly, in
15 minutes it is gone and stays gone for quite a while.

--
Lesanne
"Fred" wrote in message
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Hey, eating nuts has been determined to be healthy, like everything
else - in moderation. So, an occasional 5 point NUTRITIOUS snack of
nuts is definitely fine. It is not wasting your points at all. Now,
that said, it may not be filling and that could leave you possibly
hungry so work it in but remember that you might have to deal with
hunger. Then again, they may be quite satiating.



On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:52:13 +0000 (UTC), "Beck"
wrote:


"Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message
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"Beck" wrote in message
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"Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message
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"Beck" wrote in message
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Was watching UK Food today and there was a lady on there who said
whenever
you snack on fruit, the natural sugars give you an energy boost
making
your
more hungry, so you should eat a form of protein with the fruit like
a
handful of nuts which counteracts the sugars and makes you less
hungry
afterwards.
========================
Nuts are very high in calories/fats! You'll go through a lot of
points
"fast" with them (only 7 pecans are 5 pts). It's the FAT in nuts
that
curbs
hunger, not protein. The high fat in most low-carb diets is how
people
can
make the claim that they're "never hungry." Check the low-carb NGs
for
more
info on that. I'm avoiding nuts for the time being.

Well this was a nutritionalist,

## Which doesn't mean they're right. Look how FAT American's are by
listening to *nutritionists* for the past 25 years. We ate less fats
and
more carbs and we're still dying from the same disease - this time due
to
OBESITY! According to that NYTImes article last year they're taking a
closer look at the old food pyramid and having second thoughts.

I am sure she knew what she was talking
about. Not that I doubt what you say, but maybe there is a particular
reason why she recommended it.

## The reason is the HIGH number of calories packed into those nuts
would
kill almost anyone's appetite for awhile. But do you want all those
CALORIES? I can eat lunch for only 3 points, so why would I want a
snack
that uses up 5 points? Why would anyone?

Perhaps it is because peanuts contain omega
3 unsaturated fats which are good for you as opposed to saturated fats
and
actually help to reduce cholesterol.

## Anyone sticking to the WW diet plan is very unlikely to have a
cholesterol problem. :-) But keep in mind they've recently discovered
it's also a TRIGLICERIDE problem that causes heart disease (clogs). And
that's related to CARBS, not saturated fats. When I was on low-carb my
cholesterol dropped from 230 to 185. My triglicerides also dropped but
I
don't remember the numbers.

Very interesting article here about nuts and how they can really help
with
weight loss and your general health.
http://umanitoba.fitdv.com/new/artic...html?artid=224

## Well if you eat 5 Pts worth of nuts, and only 7 nuts are not a lot,
that
means you have to eat 5 Pts *less* of something else that's also
healthy.
Until I reach goal weight I would rather have a nice plate of baked fish
(or
chicken) with a cup of spinach or cauliflower than only 7 pecans. But
hey,
that's just me! :-)

Sorry I was not trying to cause an arguement I hope it didn't seem that
way.
The problem is that we all rely on different sorts of media for our needs,
its the same for anything in life, not just diet. Unfortunately as shown
here there are contradicting opinions as to what is good and what isn't.
I
see reports on tv or net or whatever, and other people disagree and it all
gets a bit too much and my delicate mind cannot understand it all :-)
So many people struggle with their weight and when people like myself rely
on media to help out it can throw people into all sorts of directions.
"This is good, that is good, oh no we change our mind that is not good and
neither is that!!! " We get that all the time, no wonder we cannot keep
up
with forever changing health requirements.
They have been saying for years that we shoudl eat 5 fruit and veg a day,
but I have seen recent research to suggest that actually no, we do not
need
that amount.

BTW I have lost 4lb in 3 days. It may seem too much, but I think most of
that is water loss.