Study:High protein intake sustains weight maintenance after body weight loss in humans

Same here, using Netscape. I had to resort to cut/paste.

Susan wrote:
when you place a link inside the you can just click on it within your
browser...no need to cut and paste....

Doesn't work for me; half is hyperlink and half is plain text.

Jenny wrote:
Doug wrote:

Carb cravings appear when the liver is partially full but
disappear when it is either completely full or completely
empty. The completely empty part createsa loophole of sorts.

Where do you get this?

Personal experience, reading between the lines, etc. It's basic
to how the appetite suppression of ketosis works.

In my experience, carb cravings disappear when blood sugar is
maintained at a level that does not vary up and down by more
than a very small amount. It's the movement of blood sugar up
or down that tends to be experienced by my brain, at least, as
hunger.

Good alternate phrasing. As far as I can tell you just wrote the
same thing using completely different language. Blood sugar
levels and carb stored in the liver are two sides of the same
coin.

I've lived for months in a partially refilled state (with that
two pounds I gain when I cross the mid-carb threshhold, but
still way under the 5 lbs I gain when I really refill.)

That's not partially refilled in the liver; that's carbs stored
throughout the body until it's burned off. It's part of the
giant puzzle of water retention.

When your liver is empty of stored glycogen, your weight will
bounce about day to day. In your case as much as 5 pounds; in
my case as much as 6. Get your liver to start storing carbs and
the *range* of the bounce shifts, still 5 pounds, but the center
of the bounce moves up. Say I'm bouncing between 190 and 196.
I can have a single high carb meal and be at the top at 196. If
I eat enough carbs that the liver starts storing, my range can
shift to 195-201 and cravings turn on.

From this I conclude, without finding specific scientific studies
on it, that the entire body acts as a capacitor for carbs, and
when it fills it cascades into the liver. In my case the capacitor
goes from 190-196 with just regular absorbtion in the body (muscles
or whatever). My description isn't certain to be correct, but it
is consistant with your blood-sugar focused view.

Doug,

The problem with your theory, is that when I am eating a high carb diet, as
long as I keep my blood sugar even, I continue not to feel hunger.
Conversely, I can generate wicked cravings with a single big dose of carbs
when my liver is as empty as it gets.

I spent almost a year in a completely refilled state and used a medication,
Precose, to keep my blood sugar from spiking. I did not have a problem with
hunger as long as I used it. Precose does not metabolise in the body, but is
simply an enzyme blocker.

-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.2.
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

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"Doug Freyburger" wrote in message
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Jenny wrote:
Doug wrote:

Carb cravings appear when the liver is partially full but
disappear when it is either completely full or completely
empty. The completely empty part createsa loophole of sorts.

Where do you get this?

Personal experience, reading between the lines, etc. It's basic
to how the appetite suppression of ketosis works.

In my experience, carb cravings disappear when blood sugar is
maintained at a level that does not vary up and down by more
than a very small amount. It's the movement of blood sugar up
or down that tends to be experienced by my brain, at least, as
hunger.

Good alternate phrasing. As far as I can tell you just wrote the
same thing using completely different language. Blood sugar
levels and carb stored in the liver are two sides of the same
coin.

I've lived for months in a partially refilled state (with that
two pounds I gain when I cross the mid-carb threshhold, but
still way under the 5 lbs I gain when I really refill.)

That's not partially refilled in the liver; that's carbs stored
throughout the body until it's burned off. It's part of the
giant puzzle of water retention.

When your liver is empty of stored glycogen, your weight will
bounce about day to day. In your case as much as 5 pounds; in
my case as much as 6. Get your liver to start storing carbs and
the *range* of the bounce shifts, still 5 pounds, but the center
of the bounce moves up. Say I'm bouncing between 190 and 196.
I can have a single high carb meal and be at the top at 196. If
I eat enough carbs that the liver starts storing, my range can
shift to 195-201 and cravings turn on.

From this I conclude, without finding specific scientific studies
on it, that the entire body acts as a capacitor for carbs, and
when it fills it cascades into the liver. In my case the capacitor
goes from 190-196 with just regular absorbtion in the body (muscles
or whatever). My description isn't certain to be correct, but it
is consistant with your blood-sugar focused view.